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    NFL players say owners' 18-game schedule the major sticking point - ESPN

    I'm glad the players are drawing a line in the sand. Although I would hate to see a lockout, I would 100% support the players. In my opinion, the owners are going down a slippery slope; first it becomes an 18-game schedule because they "need" the extra money. Then it becomes 20, and the all-star game decides home field advantage.

    Seriously, don't let them turn this league into MLB, which has basically ruined our favorite past time by turning everything into a way to generate revenue, from the "Spider Man" bases to the stupid advertising behind home plate.

    The NFL is perfect right now. 16 games. 4 months. 4 quarters of a season. The scheduling is just right. The records remain on an equal playing field. Every game is meaningful.
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    I know a lot of people complain about the 4 preseason games, but I like it. I think the best time I've had on the board this year was preseason. Reading the camp reports and posting in the preseason game threads was great. And I love being able to see players that I wouldn't during the regular season.
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    Agreed 100%. I love the four preseason games. Sure, I'm antsy to watch the games that count, but that's part of what makes the anticipation so great.
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    Great thread. Normally I'm with mgmnt, but If and only if I was convinced the NFLPA held the line on this issue and this issue alone I'd support their intransigence forcing a lockout.

    Burn in Hell Goodell and money grubbing billionaire owners!
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    Goodell and the owners seriously need to suck it. The disconnect between saying you're concerned about the long-term health of your employees, yet advocating an 18 game schedule has been pointed out ad nauseam.

    Nobody on this planet wants an 18 game RS except the owners.Their hypocrisy and greed knows no bounds.
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    Hear Hear!

    There's no way we're going to get a better product by stretching the butter any thinner across the bread.

    These SOB's already leave their knees, shoulders, and brain buckets on the field - most without ever being acknowledged (thinking about linemen...), so that suits can make billions.

    NO TO 18 GAME SEASON!
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    Why?
    Don't you care about the folks that actually do the work?
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    Obviously you failed to READ my post
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    Good for the players. This whole "we care about player health" just SCREAMS hypocracy when they are trying to ram an 18 game schedule through. Screw the billionaire owners.

    If they get locked out, so be it. I can live with a couple of seasons without football. As an added bonus, a prolonged lockout would most likely get Goodell fired, so huzzah!
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    The season is fine as is, I'd actually add some tweaking of a 2nd bye week, and expand the roster to 60 players.

    If the owners want more money let them create an alternate Spring/Summer professional league with 12 games. Football starved addicts would line up, they could probably play the games for cheap in college stadiums, and it would be a better talent farm for future NFL prospects than college.
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    You guys made a lot of good points for the 16 game season.

    As a season ticket holder, I hate buying 2 preseason games, so
    I do not have a problem with the 18 game regular season with 2 buy weeks.

    We would then have the superbowl on the Sunday before
    Presidents day and most people would have the day after the superbowl
    off as a holiday.

    If there is a lock out it will only be a matter of time before the
    players cave. Quite a few of the players are big spenders and if they start missing checks, I am sure they will re-think their position.

    Remember the replacement players?
    Week after week more veterans crossed the line and joined the scabs
    until the union caved and the owners won.
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    So true. $$$$$$$$$ I hate greed and obvious hypocrisy. Am with the players all the way down the line on this.
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    Can we start a Recall Goodell movement or something? This guy is killing the game...
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    People have this idea that you have to constantly grow revenue at a rate that far outpaces inflation.

    You don't.

    There are dozens of humongous global corporations that are doing the same things they have done for decades.

    They don't need to grow revenues anymore. They have enough money. Heck, cutting a preseason game would reduce everyone's profits and everyone's salary--by a little. But the league would be so much better for it.

    This is really the business world mentality where the owners want to increase the value of their franchises.
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    Throw the red shirts out there... let the fans vote one player per team to go to the active roster.

    I'd be totally into a league of spring chicks fighting for rooster status.
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    That was a strike. This is a lockout. Big difference.
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    Hold on a second here. These players aren't exactly labor workers trying to put a loaf of bread on the table. This is millionaires versus billionaires. And frankly, the only reason the players are making so much money is because of the advertising/ marketing/ hype driven machine that is funded by the NFL. The entire market and societal need for these guys' skills is a make-believe story that wouldn't exist if there weren't stadiums, fans, and television contracts. This is not a real labor dispute; this is completely different.
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    What the hell are you talking about?

    A bunch of overpaid whiny multimillionaires complaining about swapping 2 preseason games for 2 regular season games, with a bunch of whiny multibillionaires . Then a bunch of fans with no clue whatsoever complaining that it will in some unknown way hurt the game.

    What is really happening, for all of you people with no clue about negotiations, is the owners want to expand to 18 games and do it for the minimum cost. The players have no problem playing 18 games they just want to get the maximum payment for doing it. Its called negotiations. The unions want to get expanded rosters so they can have more members.

    Why do they want to expand the season? To make more money for everyone involved, its kind of simple.

    The problem the players have is there are hundreds of players waiting in the wings to replace each and every one of them. Players who are almost as good as they are. Plus, their careers are so incredibly short that for most, missing one year is like 20% of their career. It is real tough for them to keep from caving.
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    Most aren't millionares.
    Most have 3 seasons of relative obscurity, at best.

    And as much as the hype machine may be "driven" by the NFL, make NO MISTAKE, that it's the effort by the players that puts meat on that bone.

    I think the owners should make a return of no more than 7% - and everything else should be divied up by the WORKERS.
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    Those whiny (somewhat) millionaires are the reason you and I are wasting our Tuesday night posting on this obscure sports board.

    It certainly isn't the paunchiness of Billionaire Bob Kraft that has us anticipating Sunday.
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    I guess I need to listen to a guy with 38 posts.
    Chances are you even went to a preseason game this year.
    You probably bought them from a scalper at twice the
    face value.

    A true fan !
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    I'm a noob.. But not to the fandom.
    I'm old school... like Schaefer stadium old school.

    Alas, I now find myself living in the glorious Northwest of British Columbia - so no tix for me.
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    Depends on where are you standing I suppose.

    The major concern seems to be wear and tear and injury, here are some other considerations

    1) A longer season might mean an injured player has a slightly better chance to come back and contribute to a meaningful game. Rod Woodson blew out his knee early one season and made it back for the Steelers Super Bowl. The fact that the Steelers made it so far in the playoffs gave Woodson the time to get a better ( whether it was worth it for Woodson or his team is another story)

    2) If I was the 55th best player on the preseason roster, I don't know how I'd feel. The natural trade off by ownership to the expanded game/injuries issue is expanding the roster i.e. giving the union more jobs. If I was 55, I might have an NFL job versus not. Or if I was Practice Squader No#7, it might be the difference between staying on the team, now that they have increased PS slots versus not.

    3) People who make their living off selling merchandise or local restaurants and hotels and such who get a boost from home games would get one more home game a year. That might be the difference between staying afloat or not. Or laying some people off or not. Not everyone profiting off of 18 games is a billionaire or millionaire.

    The reality is at some financial hard line, the players would agree to 18 or 20 games a season. If health was a No#1 concern above else, honestly they wouldn't be playing this game. So I think it's a bit of a push to say owners don't care about their players health. Their players are investments. They care enough, or market forces dictate that, to protect players as long as that protection coincides with their interests. Players will sacrifice their health at some trade off point. Players will balloon to 300+ pounds if they play the line. Some take PEDS. Some will play through brutal injury so they won't lose their jobs to a younger player waiting in the wings.

    The owners always win. It's not always fair, but it's how it works in pro sports.

    Something not discussed is DeMaurice Smith is new and wants to prove himself and make his bones with this CBA fight. He wants his name out there and he wants to validate his position. Until the owners give him some kind of symbolic token/victory that he can take to the players, he will continue to fight. Smith is going to help the players only in so much as it will help himself. Everyone is essentially looking out for themselves first, not just owners but players, coaches, agents, etc.

    The players will go to 18 games, the question is what are the trade offs in play to get them there. Everyone has a price on their health in the NFL. Sorry it comes with the job.
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    LOL...

    No, the other part of his legacy.

    The part that America has so forgotten, that it's in danger of losing its middle class, and devolving into a neo-feudal state, like Mexico.

    The cream skimmed off by the leisure class must always be less than is needed to foster innovation - usually around 7%.
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