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    2004 NFL DRAFT
    1 21(21) Vince Wilfork* DT Miami (FL)
    1 32(32) Benjamin Watson TE Georgia
    2 31(63) Marquise Hill* DE LSU
    3 32(95) Guss Scott S Florida
    4 17(113) Dexter Reid S North Carolina
    4 32(128) Cedric Cobbs RB Arkansas
    5 32(164) P.K. Sam* WR Florida St.
    7 32(233) Christian Morton CB Illinois

    Summary: NONE of the players drafted after the 1st rd are even in the NFL anymore. Wilfork is a pro-bowler while Watson has never truly lived up to the hype. Grade: C+

    2005 NFL DRAFT
    1 32(32) Logan Mankins OG Fresno St.
    3 20(84) Ellis Hobbs CB Iowa St.
    3 37(100) Nick Kaczur OT Toledo
    4 32(133) James Sanders S Fresno St.
    5 34(170) Ryan Claridge OLB UNLV
    7 16(230) Matt Cassel QB Southern Cal
    7 41(255) Andy Stokes TE William Penn

    Summary: Mankins is a pro-bowler while the rest of this cast is nothing special. In fact, this is the kind of draft that a TON of mediocre franchises produce year after year. Grade: C+

    2006 NFL DRAFT
    1 21 (21) Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota
    2 4-d (36) Chad Jackson, WR, Florida
    3 22 (86) David Thomas, TE, Texas
    4 9-b (106) Garret Mills, TE, Tulsa
    4 21 (118) Stephen Gostkowski, K, Memphis
    5 3-c (136) Ryan O'Callaghan , OT, California
    6 22-* (191) Jeremy Mincey, OL/DE, Florida
    6 36-* (205) Dan Stevenson, OL, Notre Dame
    6 37 (206) Le Kevin Smith, NT, Nebraska
    7 21 (209) Willie Andrews, CB/S, Baylor

    Summary: In a one word: TERRIBLE. Outside of Gostowski, absolutely awful. Maroney has given us ok production..........if he was a 4th rounder! Not good enough for the #21 pick in the entire draft. If Bobby Grier was drafting like this we would be calling for his job. GRADE: C-

    2007 NFL DRAFT:
    1 24 (24) Brandon Meriweather S Miami (FL)
    4 28 (127) Kareem Brown DT Miami (FL)
    5* 34 (171) Clint Oldenburg OL Colorado State University
    6 6 (180) Justin Rogers DE Southern Methodist University
    6 28 (202) Mike Richardson CB Notre Dame
    6* 34 (208) Justise Hairston RB Central Connecticut State
    6* 35 (209) Corey Hilliard T Oklahoma State
    7 1 (211) Oscar Lua ILB USC
    7* 37 (247) Mike Elgin OL University of Iowa

    Summary: The jury is still out on Merriweather and Richardson, but the rest of these guys aren't even in the league nevermind on our team. Again, just another mediocre AT BEST draft. GRADE: INCOMPLETE but heading towards a C or C- AT BEST.

    Fellas, you can hoot and holler all you want about trading picks for the Wes Welker's and Randy Moss's of the world and I will agree. That's great. However, there's no denying that Pioli's actual draft picks the last 4 years have been mediocre at best. These guys aren't making an impact in this league on ANY team nevermind our own. So stop with the excuse that our roster is so STACKED that these picks couldn't make our team. They can't make ANY team for cris sakes! We are not getting ANYTHING of significance after the 1st rd with any of these drafts. NOTHING. The days of getting Matt Light, Deion Branch, Tom Brady, Dan Koppen, and Jarvis Green in the middle rounds are long gone. When are people going to stop kissing Pioli's backside and start holding him accountable for these MEDICORE drafts? It's getting old hearing about what a GENIUS he is. He deserved those accolades for his first 3 drafts with the club but he has really fallen off BIG TIME.
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    Whatever !
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    I said that awhile back.Some people need to stop being homers and look at the facts.
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    I thought NSA got banned?
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    Probably would have been a better time to post this after the SD game you bandwagon riding moron.

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    :DI didnt know the guy was a chargers fan and if so, **** off!!
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    I hear ya. I tried telling these guys about Maroney's fragility and lack of production for the #21 overall pick in the draft last year and got hammered for it. Now the guy is on the shelf again and the excuses for the guy keep on flying in. Puhleaze. Some people just can't call a spade a spade. Without Pioli we wouldn't own 3 super bowls. No doubt about it. However, he needs to pick up his performance if we're ever going to win any more. The drafts the last 5 years have been nothing short of MEDIOCRE at best.
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    Ahhhhhhhh, It's not JUST Pioli making these decisions. Bill has a huge, if not overriding, vote in all draft selections - This is not Dallas.

    You want to start blaming people, start by blaming the guys that put together the info for these two and Mr. Kraft to read, watch and then make decisions upon.

    You can start by throwing some blame Dimitioff's way.

    But don't isolate Scott as the problem, he's not on an island.
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    And my ignore list grows ever longer.
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    Hobbs,Kaczur,Sanders and Cassel are starters or big contributors right now but you only add Mankins?

    Mankins has not played that great thus far - Hobbs is playing decent - Sanders may be a starter soon
    Cassel has his work cut out but the team is still hanging on at 4-2

    2005 was not that bad of a draft
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    Puhleaze. Just because they start doesn't mean they are good picks. Hell the Detroit Lions have a bunch of their draft picks starting lol! Great talent wins in this league. We haven't drafted much of it lately.
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    Hey, genius. We won 18 games last year. Went to the Super Bowl for the 4th time in 7 years, scored more points than any other team in the HISTORY of the game, broke more records than you have brain cells and Kraft has THREE Lombardi's siting in his office.

    What more do you want? A perfect draft?

    Before you do that stupid analysis again on the Patriots Draft, why don't you do the same to the other 31 teams and see who wins that battle.

    Stuuuuupid.
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    Great post. I have to agree. Beoli did a great job prior to 2004, but it has been downhill ever since. Fortunately, they've made up some of the ground through saavy Free Agent deals and trades. But our drafting has to improve! Looks like we've had a very good draft year for 2007. Should have included that one as well, though it is too early to judge.
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    You're one of a handful of people on this forum who doesn't think

    the Patriots draft quite well each year. The rest think every move

    the Pats make is above reproach. Up to now, Belichick has been

    such a great coach that he has overcome all the bad personnel

    moves.
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    You are undervaluing the contribution of Hobbs, Sanders and Kaszur. I think that year's draft scored a "B+"
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    Yep, I got to hand it to you Mr. NSA, you were 100% correcto and still are.

    Maroney sucks and is dancing glass. THat should be his name.

    Their picks sucked. Emperor has NO CLOTHES, HELLO??? McFLY? Hello??

    So much for their grant talent scouting. Get rid of Pioli already. He's trash.
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    What's getting old is your continual griping and general BS. As usual, you have your facts wrong and you are overly harsh in your judgements. You prove, time and again, that your bias against the Patriots far outweighs any intelligence you might have.
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    You forgot to add Wes Welker - a 2nd round pick in 2007 and Randy Moss - a 4th rounder in 2007.

    Taking that into account, looks like two good drafts (2005 and 2007) and two bad drafts (2004 and 2006) - not anything to get one's panties in a bunch about.
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    How is the 2005 draft not a big success? They picked up four starters, one of whom has played in a pro bowl. Oh, and on top of that they picked up their back-up QB who is currently filling in (the reviews might be mixed but you can't deny he is being used).

    I would normally agree that NE's recent drafting has been less than stellar, but ranking the 2005 draft as a C+ is just so bizarre that it makes me wonder what you're smoking.
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    WRONG. Great Talent doesn't win games. Otherwise the Lions would have numerous superbowls. If you had any intelligence, you'd know that the problems in Detroit have been more with the coaching and poor salary cap management than with the acquisition of talent.
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