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    whats the latest with kessel. sign him up already.
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    We don't have the Cap room to sign him(4.5 mil/season) and we may end up trading him to Toronto who may be willing to overpay for him.

    The Bruins have $1.7 million in cap space and could clear the necessary room for Kessel by moving some combination of Michael Ryder, Andrew Ference and Chuck Kobasew, but that becomes a moot point if contract talks remain stalemated.
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    When the Bruins signed Krejci, it became obvious that they simply dont want Kessel. They just dont have the cap space. My guess is that they're going to trade his rights (probably to Toronto) for a draft pick.
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    I like Kessel but he's all but gone. It's the old system thing which makes it suck even more. Phil will lite up the net if he's on a team where he only has to worry about scoring. In Clload we trust ... Clode.;)
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    Kessel is as good as gone. The only question is to whom, and what will the Bruins get for him. Two teams are in the mix, with a 3rd trying to put something together. The big 2 are Nashville & Toronto. The outside chance is the Rangers. The Rangers are offering Dubinksy, who a restricted FA as well, and a couple of picks (1st & 2nd I believe). Toronto is offering a player/prospect (no word on who/which) plus two 1st round picks, and a 2nd (they want the B's to give them a 3rd rounder with Kessel). The best deal IMO is Nashville's, as they are rumored to have offered a 1st round pick, the rights to Alexander Radulov (playing in Russia), and their top defensive prospect Jonathon Blum.

    I like both the Toronto, and Nashville offers. The Rangers offer I'm not crazy about. Dubinsky is a grinder. You can find those guys pretty easily. The Leafs offer is attractive cuz of the two firsts. The Leafs could suck, which could make those picks top 15, or better. Obviously adding Kessel makes them better, but there are no guarantees. The Nashville offer ranks best cuz you get a 1st rounder for the future, a 20 year old defensive prospect in Blum, and the rights to a 26 goal scorer in Radulov. The risk here is that Radulov is playing in Russia, as he left the Preds and went back, after the 2007-08 season. He's only 23 btw.

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    Just heard during the sox game its a done deal he's been traded to Toronto. Don't know what they got yet.
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    Well Toronto gets him for 2 1st round picks and a 2nd.

    Kessel signs a 5 year $27 million dollar contract.

    Sorry to see him go but he did not fit in with the Bruins style or cap.

    Traded in the same division ... that takes big stones.

    Source: Boston Bruins trade Phil Kessel to Toronto Maple Leafs for draft picks - ESPN

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    Well I was hopeful they would get maybe some defensive help for him rather than future picks, but 2 #1s and a 2 is pretty good I have to say. Think they'll turn those around for a player or does their cap situation pretty much necessitate them standing pat?
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    I don't think we do anything until the trade deadline at the earliest. Charelli will get one of the top defensemen in the 2010 draft ... Cam Fowler will look good in a Bruin uniform.;)

    Toronto picked 7th this year ... with a bit of luck their in the top 5 in 2010.
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    Glad to see the Bruins following the Patriots model for building a team; trade away a proven star (this kid has loads of upside unlike Seymour) for "potential" stars in the way of draft picks, thus making your team weaker in the here and now.

    But hey, make your team weaker this year and weasel out of paying the guy for three young kids who you will draft, bring into your system and just as they hit their stride, dump them too so you don't have to pay them.

    Brilliant..............
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    Hi, I am not an NHL fan, and I don't follow the Bruins closely, but I have a question. In any other sport, - baseball, basketball etc. - a player that was a star at the tender age of 21 would typically have considerable upside, likely to improve for four or five more years with the distinct chance to be the best player in the league by the time they were 25 or 27. A list of MLB players that were stars at 21 is a list of Hall Of Famers. How can it be a good idea for the Bruins to let someone like this go?
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    kind of wondering if you know what you are talking about. Kessel was not going to play for the Bruins, plain and simple. so either get two #1s and a #2 or have the player sign an offer sheet that we CANT match and he walks with zero in return. The Bruins did a great job with this one.
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    Because he doesn't fit into the coaches system both in style of play and his overall worth as it relates to the cap. The Bruins are a defensive minded team playing within a strict team orientated system.

    The Bruins would rather spread the money around and have 3 good lines rather than a few stars on 1 line. The old Bruins always had a few stars on 1 line ... that doesn't work anymore in todays NHL. Toronto will sell some tickets but they will be top heavy now with 1 good line ... fun to watch but it does not equal more wins.
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    Yeah, your a right, I don't know what I'm talking about. Only been a fan since 1968, patiently waiting since 1972 for another cup.

    Read what TimU said as for a guy who isn't a hockey fan, he nailed it; they dumped a 21 year old with a ton of upside for "future potential". HE HAS future potential. You don't know what draft picks will pan out to; could be stars, could be flops.

    When you have a player like that, you get proactive and sign him before it gets to a no turning back situation.

    This "lunch pail, load the team up with muckers and grinders" act of theirs has not worked for the past 37 years.

    They did a great job.................letting a star walk away for draft picks that aren't going to help them in 2009.

    If they lose a sh!tload of 2-1, 3-2 games, we'll hear "man oh man, why can't this team get a guy who can put the puck in the net"............
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    Kessel has loads of talent. I was estatic when they took him 5th overall in the draft a few years back. He's the type of explosive offensive weapon the Bruins have been lacking for a long, long time. That being said, he's small, frail, and has already had a major shoulder surgury at age 21. The shoulder injury is significant because in hockey, that's a part of your body that takes a nightly pounding. Going into corners, and being hammered, takes it's toll, and Kessel might not be built well for it, long term (especially with the Bruins grind it, defensive style). Still, there is no denying his ability to score. He scored 36 goals and missed a month with mono. The mono certainly knocked him off the rails a little bit, as he wasn't quite teh same as he was before the illness. This kid could easily score 50 goals a season. Of course, he's got to make it through a full season first. In Toronto, he'll easily be the offensive catalyst, and he'll get the bulk of the ice time, with free reign to play carelessly. He won't have the defensive responsibility there, that every player has here. So he could put up monster numbers on a bad team.

    This deal isn't as bad as it seems. Were there no cap, I'd roast the Bruins for dealing this kid away. However, with a hard cap, the B's have two choices. Match any offer, and then trade away $3-4 million in current player salary, or trade him for the best deal you can get, and keep the rest of the team intact. The B's are $1.7 million under the cap, so to sign Kessel for $5 million+ per year, they'd have to move the difference. More importantly, next year you have Blake Wheeler, Milan Lucic, and Mark Savard to worry about financially, as they are restricted FA's, with Savard being a UFA. So this decision had ramifications beyond this year. By getting such high picks, the B's can now wait until the trade deadline, and use some of those picks, to add a player of value. They will have $1.7 million at that point (that's a lot at the deadline because of proration), and could have an injury excemption if a player is out for the year. Think of Marco Sturm's injury exemption that allowed them to spend close to $4 million to replace his slot. Oh, and Sturm returning will help make up for the 36 goals the B's lost. He should be good for 25-30, while providing some of the speed lost in Kessel. This deal isn't horrible, even though in a perfect world you'd probably wish Kessel stayed here.
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    just because you have been a hockey fan since 68 does not mean you know what you are talking about in this senario...Real worlds post makes sense and illustrates what i am talking about.
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    So another potential HOF'er who doesn't live up to the Bruins' system?

    This is the magic system that's taken them 37 years since their last cup? The system that led to the team trading an MVP in the middle of his MVP season?

    Seems to me that the system is supposed to adapt to the talent you have, not the other way around. Sort of like how the Pats are playing 4-3 on Defense right now.

    That's if the system is about winning games. If the system is about keeping money in Jeremy's pocket, I guess its doing just fine. The team's not quite the joke it was 5 or 6 years ago when dismal attendance led to them replacing every other seat back in the Garden to make it look like people still showed up.

    God can't that guy die already?
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    I could be wrong, but I think you are referring to Joe Thornton? As bad as that trade was for it's return on the big fella (Wayne Premeu, Sturm, and Stuart were meh IMO), what's he done in San Jose exactly? The guy is a regular season champion, post season paper weight. He's a nice guy (I've met him), but he just doesn't do enough in the playoffs. Still though, they should have gotten a better return with that trade.

    The problem with the Jeremy Jacobs argument these days, is that there is a salary cap. A hard one at that. I despise Jacobs cuz I think he's a scumbag owner, who was a piece or two away on a number of teams, but wouldn't dole out the cash to put any of those team over the top. That Ray Bourque had to go to Colorado to win a championship was embarassing. Jacobs was more concerned with scrounging every last penny he could from the fan base, than he ever was with taking a shot at winning it all. Mind you, as an owner, that is his right, but it's also my right to call him a loser for being that way. These days though, with the cap, Jacobs can't simply write a check. With the cap, you have a financial limit, and more importantly, you have to consider the financial ramifications moving forward. What does signing Kessel do to your cap, and team, this year, as well in the years to come, over the life of the deal. Time will tell if signing Kessel, an trading away Patrice Bergeron (or Ferrence & Ryder) to accomodate his salary, would have been a better move.

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