Phantom 11 Seconds???

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  1. BeauSox

    BeauSox Rookie

    This is a PEEVE of mine. It ultimately didnt have any effect on the game but...

    at 2:11 left in the second quarter, Kevin Faulk had caught a tom brady pass and ran out of bounds UNTOUCHED. Unless my knowledge of the rules is wrong, shouldnt the clock have stopped? Instead of stopping, the clock ran out to the two minute warning. I have watched the game three times and this REALLY is annoying me...

    Perhaps someone could shed some light on this???
  2. primetime

    primetime Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    #18 Jersey

    Nope, rule change. I hate this rule, it takes away at least a possession a game from each side.
  3. tobias funke

    tobias funke Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    I'm pretty sure the clock starts moving again once the referee spots the ball, even if a player went out of bounds.

    This changes for the last 2 minutes of the first half and the last 5 minutes of the 2nd half, where the clock does not start again until the ball is snapped, if it is brought back from out of bounds.
  4. Watson's IQ

    Watson's IQ Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    "With the exception of the last two minutes of the first half and the last five minutes of the second half, the game clock will be restarted following a kickoff return, a player going out of bounds on a play from scrimmage, or after declined penalties when appropriate on the referee’s signal."

    That should answer your question.
  5. alamo

    alamo praedica numerum! Supporter

    The NFL had a problem. Games were going longer than the 3 hours 15 minutes the networks allotted for them. Their choices to shorten the game were to cut out commercials or keep the clock running on more plays. What do you think they did?
  6. Pat the Pats Fan

    Pat the Pats Fan In the Starting Line-Up

    #50 Jersey

    Uh, let's see, that's a tough question:rolleyes: ,

    Guess the NFL could have started integrating ads into the game, like "this timeout is brought to you by Viagra, when you only have a few minutes.......":eek:
  7. PantsB

    PantsB On the Game Day Roster

    Here's the full rule
  8. Cannon Arm

    Cannon Arm On the Game Day Roster

    Don't give them ideas. It won't be long before NFL jerseys resemble NASCAR uniforms.
  9. sebman2112

    sebman2112 In the Starting Line-Up

    Did the official give the signal to keep rolling the clock directly after Faulk went out of bounds, or did the clock stop for a second or two while they spotted the ball, and the official then gave the signal to run the clock? As someone else mentioned, outside of the two minute warning (in the first half) the clock only stops while they're waiting for the official to spot the ball, then starts back up on the officials signal.
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2008
  10. Patsfanin Philly

    Patsfanin Philly Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    #95 Jersey

    Or they could digitally place the ads on the field like the yellow line for the first down marker or the ads behind home plate at baseball games......Let me move before the lightning strikes me for even suggesting this.......
  11. NEGoldenAge

    NEGoldenAge Banned

    Imagine the fun a hack could have with that feature :singing:
  12. Patriotic Fervor

    Patriotic Fervor Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Trust me - if you've thought of it, someone in that league office most assuredly has....
  13. alamo

    alamo praedica numerum! Supporter

    You can't spot the ball in one or two seconds, by "spotting" they mean in the center of the field ready to snap. The clock stopped for 15 seconds before it was spotted. When CBS started their replay the clock was still stopped, when they came back to live action the clock was running and at 2:04. So had the Pats wanted to run a quick play they could have done so.
  14. PatsFaninAZ

    PatsFaninAZ In the Starting Line-Up

    Right -- the ref waits for the U to give the ready to play signal and then winds the clock. I watch this sometimes during live football games to see how long the process takes. There are usually about 25 to 30 seconds left on the play clock when the ball is put in play and the game clock starts to run again -- so about 10 to 15 seconds to get it back in play.

    You see the same play happen a lot in the NFL where the ball goes out of bounds with like 2:10 left on the clock in the first half. The offense walks back up to the line and is surprised when the whistle goes for the 2:00 warning -- even the players forget the game clock gets rewound once the ball gets signaled by the U as ready for play.
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2008
  15. sebman2112

    sebman2112 In the Starting Line-Up

    Actually officials can spot the ball pretty quickly when needed, and I know what "spotting" means. come on guy? LOL!

    Obviously you've watched one official throw the ball to another (who's standing where the ball should be spotted), spots it, then gets in position, and gives the signal to roll the clock. If they're going fast it can still take a little more than two seconds, but not much longer. If their taking 15 seconds to spot the ball it's because their going slow, and don't have to rush. In this particular situation they wouldn't have to rush (as the ball carrier went out of bounds), so the 15 seconds or so you mentioned would make sense.
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2008
  16. PatsFaninAZ

    PatsFaninAZ In the Starting Line-Up

    You're describing (almost) the play for a spot where the ball is downed in bounds inside the hash marks and it's a hurry up situation. There is a lot more that needs to happen on an out of bounds play. First, the side or line judge needs to mark the spot and put the ball down on the sideline so the Umpire can see where it's spotted. Then the Umpire needs to mark with his foot the spot according to where it's been marked on the sideline while the new ball comes on to the field. (The ball on the sideline is not put into the play -- it's just there to mark the spot.) The U puts the ball on the spot, and then the ref needs to look at it to determine down and distance or whether the line to gain has been attained and signal the box man and stick men accordingly. Only when the linesman to confirm that the stick and box men have the spot accurately will the U signal ready to play and will the ref wind the game clock.

    It easily takes 10 to 15 seconds. Particularly if the play before gained yardage or will result in moving the sticks. The ref starts the play 15 to 20 yards behind the line of scrimmage. If there is a run or reception up field out of bounds, the ref and U both need to haul to get the spot. You also always have human error, such as the ball guy on the sideline getting the ball to the linesman (or side judge) to get to the U.

    Remember, there can never be two balls on the field at the same time. The ball that is put back into play is NOT the ball that went out of bounds. In fact, the ball that goes out of bounds is not even the ball that is used to mark the sideline spot. So there are three balls involved and if the ball guy fumbles a little, or the U, or the linesman, it causes a delay.

    When a team is clearly in two minute mode and conserving time, so that they are clocking the ball, the officials have an abbreviated process for getting the ball into play. And, perhaps not shockingly, the spots are not accurate. The stick and box men are by necessity given more discretion to judge the spots and set the pendant. But even in that mode, on out of bounds plays, there's rarely an issue since the clock stops when most teams would be in hurry up -- under 2:00 in the 1st half or under 5:00 in the second.

    Bottom line -- you're confusing the procedure for putting the ball in play after an OOB with the situation where they will continue to use one ball during a hurry up on tackles near the hashmarks.
  17. sebman2112

    sebman2112 In the Starting Line-Up

    This response (and the details within) wasn't even needed. Maybe some fan who hasn't actually played the game, or been a fan for a long time will gain something from it, but I'm sorry to inform you that none of the details contained were news to me.

    I already said this in response to your first post: "In this particular situation they wouldn't have to rush, so the 15 seconds or so you mentioned would make sense."

    I was saying that officials can spot the ball rather quickly when needed, so your "it's impossible" remark might not be all that accurate.
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2008
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