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Its good to hear that Crable is doing well!!
oh my my my....
my hopes for this guys production in the upcoming year are now VERY high
damn i hope he doesnt dissapoint
My response for any positive or negative reports from any minicamp or OTA is a resounding "Meh!".
I hope the positive things about Crable continue into training camp and the preseason, but I am not going to get too excited about any report either way about guys running around in no pads and no contact.
I have high hopes for Crable this year, but I agree. If his preseason last year didn't indicate much, his OTAs definitely don't.
Still, better than hearing he's the same old skinny-legs we saw when he was drafted
Okay, he's added bulk to his legs but will he able to maintain his agility and speed?
Dropping into coverage effectively would seem to be a good indication but can anyone testify from personal experience?
and hes dropping into coverage w/ WR's?
TE's and RB's i understand...but WR's? thats just crazy...
and they dont mention anything about pass rushing ability, just coverage ability
still...I'd rather hear positive reports than a ton of negative ones...
Ah, the old "muscle bound" myth. A properly designed and supervised weight training program will increase strength, speed, and agility. In particular, you'd expect to see an improvement in "burst", i.e. acceleration from standstill, which is hugely important in football. Might slow him down a bit as a long distance runner because of the extra body mass, but a NFL-level weight training program for someone like Crable should be all positive as a football athlete.
He's listed @ 243, I wonder what his weight is with his added bulk, maybe 5-10 lbs heavier?
BB would probably not want to share that Crable's added weight.
He might even make the game day roster this year........
These particular OTAs are called "passing camp". Without pads the only thing they are doing is introducing passing and practicing routes and pass coverage defense.
I have said it before and I will say it again, this is the guy I will be rooting for to start at the other OLB spot. Also, he has become the most talked about player since Chad Jackson on this board.
Yes, but is there really such a thing as a resounding "Meh"? Sorta defeats the purpose of the meh, doesn't it?
On Gasper's video on the Globe blog he also said he thought Crable looked bigger and thicker. I'm not sure why some are poo pooing this, sure it doesn't mean he can play but it's the one thing we all hoped to see from Crable and, evidently, it's being seen. The fact that he's looking bigger is good - the fact that he took the offseason seriously is even better.
Does everyone here have that same feeling im having about this season? :singing: SUPERBOWL!!!! We have to many weapons on Offense and its looking like our defense will be better than last year!!
Since 2003 I've had that Superbowl feeling every season, including last year even after Tommy went down. Pity NY and Favre was unable to take care of business against Miami, or those negative plays in the SD, Indy, and Pit games had been executed correctly, because it was pretty clear the AFCE team with the post-season momentum finished strong against Buffalo and went home.
nah, i think last year was just pittsburgs year. we got crushed by them at home so you got to give them some props.
NE was tied with Pit at halftime despite Moss having a bad case of the dropsies in the end zone. The game didn't get out of control until Slater muffed the KO and Pit recovered, I blame that on the coaches giving him his first KO in those conditions, old mudders like Faulk or Morris should have gotten the call in Hobbs absence - too much pressure on a SoCal rookie. With a lead Pit could get crazy off the edge, they did, the rest was history.
The three teams I listed were all playoff teams NE lost to, but if you looked at the games:
-- SD, Moss was beaten by Jammer, once in the end zone and once on a deep sideline route that could have put NE in the end zone. People were crying about Cassel's deep ball, but he put the ball in Moss' hands - Jammer's a decent CB, but Moss should have owned him. Get those early scores and the game changes. Recall BB's press conference after he'd watched the tape? BB said the team was competitive, a couple plays go the other way and they're in the game.
-- Indy, two chances to win, one dropped TD pass and one penalty to kill a drive.
-- Pit was noted above.
Any one of those games could have come out differently if not for some key mistakes. NE ate Miami's lunch the second time around, that was another playoff team. Look what they did to Arizona. The Cassel-led Pats were playing well at the end of the season despite the loss of key starters, they would have been dangerous in the post-season and Pit was no juggernaut to fear.
It was Pittsburgh's year because they were the only team left standing. They were fortunate that they didn't suffer major injuries besides losing their rookie running back. Had Brady played the entire year, Pittsburgh would have been eventually eliminated by the Pats.
Moss was beaten by Jammer? You mean Jammer was beaten by Moss. Yes, Cassel did struggle with the deep ball last year and also missed a wide open Moss beating Darrelle Revis deep in their loss against the Jets.
That game against Indy was a tough one. Indy was getting outplayed all game long getting run all over by New England's ground game. Had David Thomas kept his cool, the Pats would have drove far enough to tie the game. However, that Jabar Gaffney drop was pretty hard to get over.
In the rematch against Miami was actually pretty close until the fourth quarter. The Pats were letting Miami hang around until Pennington's interception which changed the game.
Now I have to ask, what does this have to do with Crable looking bigger at OTA's? I don't understand how these threads go from one topic like this to how Pittsburgh destroyed New England last year.
Anyways, it's good news that Crable appears stronger which will only help him get a lot of playing time.
Of course, this has nothing to do with Crable getting bigger, but, sir, I have to say that I like your style!
Crable's fluidity, explosion, and speed were never in question. I'm curious to if he'll be getting reps with the 1's in TC. Also, if he's bigger or not, this doesn't have much to do with how strong he is, nor if it has helped/hurt his explosiveness. The only way we'll find that out is by watching him play with the pads on and the helmet buckled. August will tell us much.
sounds like excuses but whatever. stuff happens in a football game and thats just the way it is. muffed punts, fumbles, missed throws. the point is that we lost those games. hopefully they dont lose them next year.
Do you spend as much time on your own teams board as this one?
Moss had the ball in his hands twice, while covered by Jammer, once in the end zone and once inside the 10 running down the sideline, neither one was a reception - Jammer 2 Moss 0.
This isn't worth much but I work with a dude who's a huge Michigan fan and I asked him who, based on what he saw in college would be the better pro, Crable or Woods, and he said without a doubt Crable.
Observations, those games against playoff teams were winnable without major mistakes. There was a breakdown on those plays, proper execution would have changed the dynamic of the game - would it have changed the results? Hard to say, but a couple Moss TDs early against SD would have made it more interesting, Gaffney hanging onto the ball would have put the shoe on Indy's foot, and a NE lead at half time against Pit at home would have been encouraging. It is what it is, but just missing the playoffs at 11-5 after losing Brady did demonstrate that NE team had some staying power and would not have been a cakewalk in the post-season.
As for Crable working on his strength and looking a little burlier, it's what we should have expected; it's gratifying that he's doing his job in the offseason, now let's see how it translates on the field.
Arguing with Box on football is like arguing with Joel Osteen on the exploitation of retards.
So people formally schooled in football would have my lunch scripturally, but I make people feel good about themselves? Either way, send money to show your love of the NE Patriots.
So when do i get some credit?
My source came through.
It just sounded like in your original post that had Cassel thrown the ball better, Moss would have beaten Jammer.
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