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PFT RUMOR: Vince Young scored a six on the Wonderlic test??

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    http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
    Wow! :eek:
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    :eek: :eek:

    ouch this might hurt him quite alot
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    Bring up the Jets trading up to get Cutler thread... I think I received a bit of criticism for saying he was stupider than a gorilla. Am I still wildly biased in that assessment? This guy an NFL QB... give me a break.
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    he's going to have a tough time in this league if he gets his chance :eek:
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    That site is like boston dirt dogs. Pure speculation. Their 'about' section even admits they don't adhere to journalistic standards.

    If this report is true, it will hurt Young's draft position. But I don't believe this report to be trustworthy.

    Also Drew, you embarass yourself by repeatedly saying Young is 'stupider than a gorilla', when 'stupider' isn't even a word.

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    Vince young = M.Vick with more pocket pressence?
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    http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=stupid

    stuテつキpid P Pronunciation Key (stpd, sty-)
    adj. stuテつキpidテつキer, stuテつキpidテつキest
    Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.
    Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes.
    Marked by a lack of intelligence or care; foolish or careless: a stupid mistake.
    Dazed, stunned, or stupefied.
    Pointless; worthless: a stupid job.

    n.
    A stupid or foolish person.


    Either way... insulting someone's computer language isn't much of an indicator of their intelligence when you have the likes of "ur", "wanna", "wen", etc. on nearly every thread. And I don't think I'd score a 6...
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    I thought it was established that the wonderlic is pointless. Or is that only when the guy is drafted by the Patriots?
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    I was under the impression you had to be able to think if you were a QB. Brady (and Manning if we must...) dedicate so much time to going over film, studying the playbook, and just having an overall excellent knowledge of the game. For some positions like DL, I would agree it's not as important, but for QBs, it is a useful test.
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    Hmmm... Drew, I stand corrected on 'stupider'. They must've changed changed the dictionary since I was in grammar school. Anyway, you are free to browse through other posts I have made; I don't use 'ur', 'wanna', 'wen'... you must be confusing me for another poster.

    Back to the thread:

    I think a decent wonderlic is a must for QB's. The QB has to watch film, understand how to attack a defense, make adjustments, and run the show on the field.

    I really hope this report isn't true, but if it is, I think Vince's stock plummets. It would be a shame because Young looks like he could be a better version of McNair and Vick.

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    Is it possible that he just didn't care about the test?
    There are many players who don't think it's a big deal. Maybe, Young is one of them.
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    Well, Bledsoe had one of the highest wonderlicks, we all can see how that's working for him and his decision making. Marino on the other hand had a very low wonderlick. Funny how that works out.
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    re:

    The reason I don't think this is real is because a score of '6' is low. Ridiculously low.

    The questions on that test are almost common sense type questions (like what is the 9th month of the year?).

    I don't know Vince Young. Maybe he is that stupid. But I highly doubt it.

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    if he was that stupid surely someone else would of picked it up before now?
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    That's what I'm saying. Maybe he just didn't care about the test, because I can't believe that he's that stupid. PFT might be full of it, but hey, they reported the release of Starks before our own local reporters did. They have some credibility.
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    Just like in "The Program" with the LB that could read offenses easily but could barely read, some people just get it on the football field and don't in the classroom.

    I watched Vince Young mature as a QB in his three years at UT. He's not just some stupid athlete with physical talent. He learned how to play the QB position, you could see him evolve. The guy had the highest efficiency rating in college football this past season, he has to know a thing or two about understanding defenses.
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    I took the Wonderlic test last year for grad school and got a 35. There were some gimmies and some real head scratchers too. Every question requires you at least think a little, making it not about "what you know" but about "how you think".
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    If you listened to his interviews, you could pick it up that he wasn't a brainiac, but like someone else said, 6 is incredibly low. Didn't anybody see that sample test? The first 8 questions were automatic, not to mention the oppotunity to get another 40 right. You can debate how much of an impact this has on his translation to the pros, but one thing for sure is that it will only hurt him.
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    A score of 6 for an obviously normal-functioning human being means one of two things:

    1. Reading/literacy problems
    2. Panic/choking

    But no, it's not impossible -- and despite what PFT said, it's not even unheard of. RB Frank Gore scored a 6 last year, was taken in the 3rd round and had a decent rookie season. But he's not a quarterback.
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    Hey, if 6 is good enough for President, its good enough for QB! :D

    :eek: :bricks:

    Sorry, just came back from the political forum. A 6 indicates a possible skip of an answer, to me. He may have been coloring the circle for #5, but answering #6, etc. for the entire test. Having never taken the test, I'm assuming an answer format like this?
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    Not all the questions are multiple choice.
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    That has to be one of the lowest wonderlic scores for a QB ever. However, plenty of players have scored pretty low and became darn good football players. Vince Wilfork scored pretty low and it seemed like he had a slight learning curve{like all rookies do} but he caught on by around mid-season. I know QB is different though so we will have to just wait and see I guess.
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    I guess it doesn't measure the 'heart' of a player. He sure carried Texas on his back when they won the Rose Bowl. What a great player.
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    OK. I just looked over the Wonderlic questions. There are some tricky questions, but even Forrest Gump could have scored a 10 on this test.

    I have a new theory. Vince Young is actually a genius.

    He purposely got one of the lowest wonderlic scores ever, in order to cause his stock to drop. He knows the Saints are a mess, he doesn't fit Norm Chow's offense at Tennessee, and the Jets are also a mess.

    He wants to go to a contender and be an immediate winner. My prediction (if this article was true): he will be picked by the Chicago Bears at #26!!!!

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    dyslexia, for example

    SI said, years ago, that Cris Collinsworth scored 1 point below perfect (49?) and that lowered his draft status. players with scores above 45 are thouught to be inquisitive, argumentative, trouble in film sessions and on the field.
    i'd heard that steve mcnair scored a 12, and that some teams were "worried" about his being able to pick up an nfl offense.
    but i never heard of 6.
    a reading disability would explain some of this.
    i think it shines a glaring spotlight on mack brown and The University of Texas.
    now we'll see agents setting up private "intelligence tests" so players' status won't be sunk by a wonderlic score.
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    re

    I just found this article:
    http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_12_223/ai_54245995

    Akili Smith got a 37 (for comparison, Steve Young got a 33).

    This article is interesting though; it says Smith got a 12 the first time he took it, and after his agent hired a test prep teacher, Smith got the 37 score.

    I also found QB wonderlic scores of QB's in the past 5 years:
    http://www.unc.edu/~mirabile/Wonderlic.htm

    Alex Amith got a 40 and he is a horrible QB. McNabb got a 12 and Dan Marino got a 14 when he took it.

    The wonderlic is not an essential test or predictor of NFL success. It has nothing to do with how players visual moving objects in space.

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    Give me a break... all they all care about is the money. If you aren't kidding, then you better get to a therapist, because your bias is out of control.
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    Oh, come on, players tank to get drafted lower all the time :D

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    re:

    That was meant to be a joke, but I'm sorry it wasn't obvious enough for some people!!


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    why al da bickerin? its just werds an stuf!

    semantics guys. I say pot-A-to you say po-TAH-to. I'm laying even money Vince isn't exactly Harvard Med School material but he'll be an effective NFL QB with a year or two seasoning.... :rocker:

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