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    Does this mean that everyone team tries to gain a competitive advantage?? Does this mean that everyone does it?? We all know the answer to that but maybe now everyone else will.

    http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/25/edwards-accuses-bucs-rams-of-cheating/

     
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    Re: Pft: Edwards Accuses Bucs, Rams Of Cheating

    You know this is what ticks me off about this whole cheating thing. When it comes to tampering, much of the media writes it off that is no big deal because everyone is doing it. Yet, they slam the Patriots whenever they get. And whenever anyone argues that other teams do/did what the Pats did, they argue that it isn't an excuse and Patriots defenders are deflecting blame.

    Tampering is cheating. It is far more harmful in many cases than anything the Pats have ever been accused of. All you have do is look at the whole Lawyer Milloy or Deion Branch situations. Tampering can irreparably damage a relationship between a player and their current team.
     
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    Re: Pft: Edwards Accuses Bucs, Rams Of Cheating

    Why's everyone trying to be like us?

    Draft well, sign role players, stay out of trouble and cheat. That's our thing.
     
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    Re: Pft: Edwards Accuses Bucs, Rams Of Cheating

    God does this piss me off. Maybe we have tampered in the past as well, but the point is that all these Holier than Thou NFL a-holes need to be B*itch slapped by the NFL and media as BB and the pats were. THe hypocrasy is staggering. They should investigate this further and levy fines, etc.
     
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    Re: Pft: Edwards Accuses Bucs, Rams Of Cheating

    Perhaps this is overly simplistic, but perhaps there should be two dates for the start of free agency. The first would be when teams can talk to free agents, which should start the day after the Super Bowl. The second would be the first day that free agents can sign a contract with any team - at least a week, or maybe two weeks later.

    This way even though many teams may continue to jump the gun and talk to a player early, the others that are playing by the rules will still have a chance to talk with any free agent, and make him an offer. The current advantage gained by teams that do tamper with free agents and sign them early would be for the most part lost. Any other team would still have time to make an offer to these free agents that have already made deals.
     
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    Re: Pft: Edwards Accuses Bucs, Rams Of Cheating

    That does seem like a pretty good idea. It makes alot more sense than the way it is now.
     
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    Re: Pft: Edwards Accuses Bucs, Rams Of Cheating

    Interesting Idea....

    the date would have to be a few weeks after the Super Bowl to give the teams in the Super Bowl time to catch up and to give everyone one last chance at dealing with their own guys.
     
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    Re: Pft: Edwards Accuses Bucs, Rams Of Cheating

    Heck,

    There is an even easier way. You set down 1 rule.

    1.) No free agent may sign with any team within the 1st 7 days of the free agency period.

    Respects,
     
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    Re: Pft: Edwards Accuses Bucs, Rams Of Cheating

    Give Florio credit - he listens to his readers!

    This is the point I've been making for awhile with him and other members of the media.

    Selective enforcement of unenforceable rules makes the punishment as bad as the crime.

    The 49ers punishment is a perfect example of that.

    The goal here is to make sure that all teams have an even playing field. Since the only way to catch a team tampering is to have one of the parties mistakenly divulge improper contact in public, Goodell takes what was an even playing field and makes it uneven.

    His motivation is PR value only, to make himself look tough - just as he did with the Patriots in Spygate.

    He's done the same thing with Spygate, allowing teams to videotape games (only with permission though - and looks the other way when MangIdiot is caught taping without permission) but does nothing to police what they are taping (what was on MangIdiot's illegal video from Gillette? No one knows and Goodell isn't interested.)

    If you can't enforce it the fairest thing to do is don't have a rule - or at the very least, don't selectively enforce it.
     
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    Re: Pft: Edwards Accuses Bucs, Rams Of Cheating

    Florio was one of the biggest problems with spygate's refusal to die. He was so intent on pimping his NFL version of the National Enquirer that he pissed away any semblance of integrity that he might have had in order to keep the story alive and make it bigger than it was.

    If he really listened to his readers, he'd already have shaved his head and moved to Tibet to take up a life of monastic solitude.
     
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    Re: Pft: Edwards Accuses Bucs, Rams Of Cheating

    Beautiful!!!

    Too bad for us that scenario will never come to pass....
     
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    Re: Pft: Edwards Accuses Bucs, Rams Of Cheating

    Yeah. Florio has been the only one writing about Spygate lately.

    Well just him and the New York Times. But that's not a credible news source like the Rumormill. So let's all pile on Florio even though he was willing to draw attention to the Lee Grosscup article documenting that everyone cheats that everyone had forgotten about during the midst of the most recent witchhunt.

    http://www.thesportgallery.com/sport-stories/1967aug-nflspy.html

    :rolleyes:

    Your bizarre desire to be argumentative at all times is getting pretty tiresome.

    Florio's not perfect - and ultimately he's only interested in promoting himself. But he's been good about running stories with the sources that Pats1, myself, and others have sent him telling the other side of the "story".

    I can't think of one other member of the media who has been that accessible and responsive to give us a well read national forum. Can you?

    How many other columnists used the 49ers Tampering story as an opportunity to remind the football world that Don "Shame on the Patriots for Cheating" Shula was a willing party in the last cheating/tampering episode that resulted in a lost 1st round draft pick?

    Yeah - let's send guys like that to Tibet. Good call.
     
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    Re: Pft: Edwards Accuses Bucs, Rams Of Cheating

    I had this same idea. It makes too much sense for the NFL to adopt though. ;)

    Frankly, tampering impacts the other 30 teams more than a player's current team and the prospective tampering one.

    The current team has more than enough time to try to sign the player, so it's not like they are being screwed when other teams talk to upcoming free agents on their team.
     
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    Re: Pft: Edwards Accuses Bucs, Rams Of Cheating

    This is true, you make a couple of very good points.

    It's as if the tampering rules were put into place before the NFL had free agency, and have never been updated. The current rules are fine for under contract players, such as the Briggs situation. They are meant to avoid a scenario, for example, where the Cowboys would work out a deal with Chad Johnson's agent while he was under contract with the Bengals; then Johnson would hold out and demand a trade to Dallas.

    The current rules don't address free agent to-be players, such as the Bucs signing Faine or the Eagles signing Samuel. The Saints knew they were going to lose Faine and the Pats knew they were going to lose Samuel. They have no reason to be upset yet they are the only teams that can file a complaint with the league. If I'm not mistaken, the Chiefs can't even lodge a complaint with the league in this case.
     
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    PFT? The guys saying Kraft was about to fire Belichick? Last year they had Belichick moving to the Giants. Yup, that's a credible source.:rolleyes:
     
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    Making up an example:

    If Al Davis next year says that Brady would be a great Raider QB and having him in the Bay area where he grew up might be a plus, can the Patriots charge the Raiders with tampering? Their 3rd round pick would be nicer than ours.:)
     
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