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    BRANCH CAVING BEFORE SEPTEMBER 10?

    A league source with first-hand experience in contract negotiations and player holdouts tells us that, in his opinion, Patriots receiver Deion Branch will end his holdout and join the team before the regular season begins.

    The source focuses on Branch's recent statement that "everything's going to work out." Said the source, "That was a surrender comment. The kid is going in and he will sign a deal with [Jason] Chayut or another agent. No doubt in my mind. He was a second rounder and does not have millions in the bank."

    Branch's base salary for 2006 is $1.045 million, which equates to more than $61,000 per week. The team previously offered a multi-year extension to Branch, but the deal reportedly was pulled off of the table. Still, if Branch reports in time for the start of the regular season, it's likely that the team will eventually get back to where they were, or close to it.

    And even if Branch comes in after the preseason, he'll be no worse off then he was in 2005, when (according to the Gamebooks available via the 2005 preseason stats pages on NFL.com) Branch played in no preseason games.
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    Re: PFT: Branch will cave before 10/10

    I could see when he did that TV interview this week he was starting to crack. You could just see it in his demeanor. There was an angle to play with giving the interview in the first place, and I don't thnk it was to soften his image among fans or to promote some lame hoops event he was attending.
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    Re: PFT: Branch will cave before 10/10

    I'm so sick of these BS rumors. When I see Branch in camp, then I can be happy, but all this BS has to stop.
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    Re: PFT: Branch will cave before 10/10

    September is the 9th month of the year. :)
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    Re: PFT: Branch will cave before 10/10

    It wont stop.

    Dats right Deion, cave in. I'll still forgive you if you join the team by the opener despite your annoying and ridiculous holdout.
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    Re: PFT: Branch will cave before 10/10

    Duh... that is what most of us think will happen because the alternative is beyond stupid. ;)
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    Re: PFT: Branch will cave before 10/10

    I think this is the first PFT rumor about his return...and the fact that they mentioned it is a lot more credible than others...and of course it makes SENSE!! I mean...he's losing money left and right and ay some point..it does NOT make sense to keep losing it...I also think if he was out for a season game, the fines WOULD HAVE been given to him..I think the Pats will waive them..in good faith..don't fines like that go to charity???
    If true..that would be VERY big!! A real boost to this team!!
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    Re: PFT: Branch will cave before 10/10

    If you notice, when discussing the source they said it was his "opinion"

    This source probably has no credible information other then what he thinks will happen.
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    Re: PFT: Branch will cave before 10/10

    This whole thing is getting way too much play, my opinion of Branch has diminished significantly, I know his agent is doing most of the talking, so get a new agent..

    He and Chayut should STFU and get down to serious negotiations and get him back on the field. I have no patience for all this posturing, particularly as the Pats are keeping their mouths shut about the whole matter. Hard time tantruming by yourself.
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    Re: PFT: Branch will cave before 10/10

    Branch is just getting more press now from the media because he is the one and only holdout left. No one else to talk about so expect a flurry of Branch articles, even more than what we've seen so far.
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    Re: PFT: Branch will cave before 10/10

    True..it's all about the Twig now...but at some point he has to get into camp bottom line. The media can write all the stories they want, but they have to come tp the conclusion of how stipid he has been...principled yes, but in a DUMB way. Articles don't pay the bills..and unless he gets back into camp, he won't be seeing much.
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    Re: PFT: Branch will cave before 10/10

    Not sure how "principled" someone is if they don't honor their contract. Stubborn, I would agree with. Oh yeah, I do agree with you about how stupid he has handled the situation as well.
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    Re: PFT: Branch will cave before 10/10

    I wonder if Belichick gets involved in this stuff at all. If I were him I would call Deion after this game and tell him, "I don't know what your plans are, Deion, but here are mine. If you aren't here by next week and you miss one second of the regular season, I'm going to suspend you for the season for conduct detrimental to the team. You've become a major distraction, not only to me, but to your friend Tom Brady, and I'm not going to let the season slip away before it even starts. Have a good day."
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    Re: PFT: Branch will cave before 10/10

    10/10 is October 10th...you might want to change the thread title (edit -> advanced edit)
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    Re: PFT: Branch will cave before 10/10

    I think that it is clear. Branch before the season begins will sign and we are going to be all contentments. I am safe.
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    Re: PFT: Branch will cave before 10/10

    Whew! Stupidity has been outlawed in the NFL! Great!
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    Re: PFT: Branch will cave before 10/10

    From Reiss' Friday morning piece, this quote from Brady is another hint that enthusiasm is waning and the Deion situation is beginning to get old and wear on even his most ardent supporters. The players are inching close to moving on time, and that resignation and gradual attitude shift will begin to shift the balance on Deion's number of tough days...

    "Another day of practice, another day in receiver Deion Branch's holdout.

    ``It's so labored for the players and for me talking about it, hopefully this situation comes to an end [so] we have our full team here and we put guys on the field -- the most capable guys we have," Brady said. ``I'd love to see where we stand when that happens."


    You will notice Brady didn't say hopefully they get a deal done, he said hopefully this situation comes to an end. Deion getting his is getting less important to them by the (practice) day, and the week 3 pre-season game is when the internal bell begins to go off for the starters that the season is upon us. Week 4 is for for determining the 16 guys who fill out the roster and PS, and when the coaches and starters commence two weeks of increasingly game planning for operning day.
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    Re: PFT: Branch will cave before 10/10

    One can stand up for wrong principles..as well..and in this case I think that is what he is doing..The principle is getting the MOST for himself...he is sticking with that..all above honoring his contract...which he SHOULD be doing.
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    Re: PFT: Branch will cave before 10/10

    I agree with your assessment, but they did say this person was an expert on player contract negotiations, so his opinion is worth something.

    If he has a lot of experience to draw on, then he is in a pretty good position to make an educated guess concerning this situation with Branch.

    In the end though, it is all just speculation. I think even the common Joe believes Branch with cave because the alternative is just plain dumb. The team is willing to play the year without him even though it will hurt us a bit. He can't afford to sit out the whole year IMO.
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    Re: PFT: Branch will cave before 10/10

    It seemed to me like the "expert" was applying some sort of "negotiation psychology 101" on Branch's interview, suggesting that Branch saying everything would work out was a "surrender statement."

    I suppose it's possible, but it could also be a situation like where a veteran poker player misreads an inexperienced opponent because the opponent doesn't bet in the rational, traditional method. In other words, had Chayut said he felt everything would work out, I would see it as a "surrender statement," because you have to assume he knows that others would recognize it as a "surrender statement," and certainly wouldn't want to imply surrender if he didn't mean it.

    Branch, on the other hand, could just be an athlete who wants to be liked, and thinks quicker on his feet vs. a cover-2 than he does in front of Camera 2.
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    Re: PFT: Branch will cave before 10/10

    :D Nice...
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    Re: PFT: Branch will cave before 10/10

    Any chance this "expert" is actually the pencil-necked geek? Clayton was talking fairly positively about Branch returning 7 to 10 days before 9/10 the other night (as mentioned in another thread). If this is the source triggering the PFT comments it would immediately be suspect in my book IMHO. :confused:
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    Re: PFT: Branch will cave before 10/10

    Yeah, I could see that.

    Still, you have to admit that BB looks like he will (may not want to, but will) play this year without him if he continues to hold out. It will hurt our chances for sucess a bit, but giving in to him on a ridiculous contract thus setting the precident to be blackmailed by all future players approaching UFA would hurt far more.

    Branch, on the other hand, has a lot more to lose. What if he holds out all season? The fines alone are going to kill him financially. Sitting out of football for a year and being labeled a malcontent will affect possible contracts with teams next year... either way, it will cost him money.

    I don't see the positive for branch to continue the hold out all year.
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    Actions speak louder than words, he's said in the past that he was going to honor his contract.
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    Re: PFT: Branch will cave before 10/10

    It is foolish to think that the Pats won't be seriously hurt by the lack of talent at WR if we don't bring Branch back. Decent success in two preseason games doesn't show anything -- it's a simple fact that our offense would be much better off with Branch than without him.

    If Branch holds out into the season, there's always the possibility that the team will look good on D and running the ball, but struggle in the passing game -- we all seem to assume BB would hold firm on principle, but I'm not so sure. If this looks like an otherwise SB contending team w/ a big whole at WR, I'm not sure he wouldn't be willing sweeten the pot to prevent wasting a potential championship season. Call me crazy.

    Even if the Pats do ok w/out Branch, there's still the fact that he'd have to worry about getting injured in only 6 possible games, instead of 16 -- and not even those, if BB suspends him. In the offseason he would either be let walk, or franchised and dealt -- with Branch being able to scuttle any deal he didn't like by intimating to potential suitors that he would be hard to get under contract.

    Also, his agent would advance him the money for the fines, to be recouped when he gets Branch his big payday, so I don't think finances will have that much to do with it.
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    Branch will cave before 9/10

    ....and he is an honorable young man. anyone who would take time before the SB to call every coach of his he can find, is someone who tries to live an ethical life.
    IMO deion won't break a contract bearing his signature. i'd be shocked.
    this is shaping up as a modern-day morality play about agents (in any field), promising young performers, and the erosion of values.
    deion breaks a contract, it's surely not the way he was raised.
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    Re: PFT: Branch will cave before 10/10

    There are no simple facts. Go back to 2001 and substitute Terry Glenn for Deion Branch and I would have agreed with you 100%. No Terry Glenn and then no Drew Bledsoe. We were seriously hurt that year. Excpet it didn't quite work out that way.

    In hindsight, it seems silly to worry about the loss of Bledsoe and Glenn, but it wasn't silly then. Patten was some guy from the AFL, totally unproven. We kept Brady who looked okay, but was an unproven raw rookie. We gave up our best two backups in Friez and Bishop.

    What I forgot then was that chemistry changes, people step up. People you don't expect to shine, shine. Brady, Patten, Brown, Antowain. Fred Coleman did good. Matt Stevens. Who'd have thought?

    I have no doubt that Branch will be an asset, but also no doubt that he will leave us for good after this year. I think the team will be just fine without him when he goes, be it this year or next.

    On the other hand, all the sports analysts agree with what you say. Can they ALL be wrong? Maybe we are in trouble, after all.
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    Re: PFT: Branch will cave before 10/10

    Chayut's commission on a franchise tag deal would be $150K TOTAL. His commssion on a long term deal would be 3% of the payout AS IT IS PAID OUT. And you think he's gonna advance Branch $600K in a year in which Deion's after tax income is $-0- and he already lost $30K in existing commission? And then how much more will he advance him to feed his family? Nothing. Not to a player who can turtle on him in a heartbeat and leave him publicly looking like the schmuck who misplayed the whole situation.

    He will have to worry about getting injured for free in the 6 game scenario. In the 16 game scenario he at least gets 16 checks for $62K and likely they forego his holdout fines.

    Belioli take the disciplined long term view - they want to be a championship contender for years to come, so they will not cave to Branch because the risk/reward is not clearly in the teams long term favor. Regardless of what adding Branch back into the equation might - and I stress might - gain them this season, it will dog them for seasons to come in negotiating with future FA who may be even more valuable and difficult to replace than a top 15 WR.

    As for Branch scuttling a trade deal, that won't happen for a number of reasons. First off the Pats control who he can even talk to. And until he signs his tender it is revokable well past the time when most teams will have spent the bulk of their FA $$$. And as word spreads about just how difficult this player and his agent are to deal with, interest would wane. Teams move on because they all have more to worry about than one disgruntled WR. There are more than enough of those to go around annually.
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    Re: PFT: Branch will cave before 10/10

    I think MoLewisRocks responed to your point exactly as I would have concerning the relative damage of caving into Branch's demands vice just playing the season without him.

    Also, as Brady2Brown points out, your argument:

    "If this looks like an otherwise SB contending team w/ a big whole at WR, I'm not sure he wouldn't be willing sweeten the pot to prevent wasting a potential championship season. Call me crazy."

    Is refuted by the historical evidence concerning Terry Glenn... who was at the time, the UNDISPUTED #1 WR on our team with Troy Brown a distant 2nd and David Patten an after thought. The one game BB let Glenn come back and play in (because he began to cooperate), he lit the other team up and showed proof that with him our team was a whole lot more dangerous.

    Dispite this evidence, BB still sat his ***** for the rest of the year because he started pulling his crap again. We went on to win the Super Bowl.

    I know that Branch is not even in the same galaxy as that malcontent Terry Glenn, but the evidence is there that BB is willing to play tough... crazy or not.

    I just read that we may have given Branch permission to seek a trade... so it looks like BB has answered this question for us.

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