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    Peyton Manning struggling with throws to right side? - NFL.com

    Soon we will hear >Peyton having problems throwing when the game is not in a Dome
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    I'm not sure where anybody is seeing improvement through two preseason games. Manning hasn't looked good... at all. Not that I'm shocked, I actually expected it. The guy suffered a season ending neck injury and hasn't played ball since 2010 (a year in which he appeared to be on the decline anyway).
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    What Kontra said ^^^^

    Though I will say Manning will probably be OK. But to think he was going to walk on the field and be himself again - that's silliness. Clayton can overanaylze this thing all he wants. Bottom line is, it took Brady some time to get back from an ACL injury. Peyton was even longer removed from the game and not as much in his prime as Brady was when his injury occurred. People need to cool their expectations of Manning.
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    He does look pretty terrible out there. Poor throwing, accuracy is down and throw power is atrocious. I don't think he will play for more than 2 years before retiring.
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    I don't know if I'd go so far as to say he looks terrible. Terrible is Mark Sanchez, Tim Tebow, Jamarcus Russell, etc. But he looks bad. He looks old, hurt, and past his prime. His decision making skills thus far haven't been as sharp as they previously were and his throws are lacking much of the zip that we've become accustomed to seeing from Manning.

    With that said, though, as a critical thinker, I have to apply the same critical thinking skills that I've been using toward Solder in talking about him toward Manning. I wouldn't over-analyze two preseason games when it comes to Manning. He's been hurt and out of it for a year. There's plenty of room to improve, but I'm guessing that if anybody can turn it around, it would be Manning.

    Though I certainly hope not. :singing:
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    I thought during the first game that his throws had no zip. The INT that was tipped, for example, that's a ball he generally rifles in there for the score. I didn't see any of the highlights from the second game but seems like Clayton is seeing the same thing.
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    Maybe it's the homer in me but I always thought Manning was overrated. In fact, I don't think it's the homer in me. I think Manning has always been overrated. That isn't to say he isn't a good quarterback, but he's always played in a stat-padding dome, he's always had a lot of weapons around him, and yet he always sucks in bad weather and he's always (most always anyway) sucked in the post season which is where really great players have always defined themselves.

    For some reason Manning has always been the golden child for the NFL and for sports journalism. I'm not sure why or when they all collectively decided to portray him as the greatest ever but I always just viewed him as the choke-artist with the most entertaining pouty-face in football.

    I don't expect anything too magnificence out of him in Denver.
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    Thank goodness he's back to making commercials without difficulty again. I didn't think he could do it!
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    Agreed - I expect that he'll look bad for a couple of games, then shake off a lot of the rust and round into something closer to his old form by the middle portion of the season. He'll probably never get 100% back to where he was, but I'll be surprised if he doesn't at least get back to being a top 8-10 QB.
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    It's absolutely the homer in you. If. You want to teach anyone who has problems with mechanics, you say go watch Petton Manning. He was always your prototypical QB. If you put Tom Brady's fire, passion and leadership skills into Mannings head, you'd have perfection.

    Not saying Brady's mechanics aren't fantastic, they are, but Manning has the best mechanics of his era and arguably there hasn't been another QB like him in terms of that.

    He may have had problems in the clutch before, he might have thrown a player under the bus once or twice, but if you want to look at someone and say over their career 'he was mechanically the best QB there was at this time and, arguably, the best who has ever lived', you point at Manning.

    I love taking digs at him, and yes he was on the decline, but I respect a once in a lifetime kind of player and he was that. I feel pretty glad to have witnessed an era like this, where i have got to watch two of the best QBs to grace the game...I envy those who got to see the Marino/Montana era to go with this one.

    It's sad to see any player affected by injury like this...the only reason the Pats/Colts rivalry existed or was even close was because of this guy.
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    Do not count Manning out... he's dangerous until proven otherwise...
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    Manning could throw the football with his dick and still be better than 60% of the starting QBs in the league.

    Manning will likely not be the Manning of old,but don't count on expecting to see an aged QB with severe diminishing talent either.

    With that being said,I do not believe the Broncos are winning more than 9 games this season.
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    I have grown to respect Manning over time and regret it as his career moves into the final stage. I wish him medium well in Denver if they can get his right neck bolt loosened enough for those throws. Oil should do it.

    We're seeing with Peyton the same drive and love of the game that I think will keep TFB playing for years until BB tells him it's time to walk the kids to school in the fall.

    http://content.usatoday.com/communi...ill-belichick-retire-bob-kraft/1#.UDaZvkK6Xww

    Mindful of performance, he {TFB} maintains that ultimately he might not hold the decision of when to hang up his cleats.

    He insisted -- with a straight face -- that maybe it will be Head Coach Bill Belichick's call.

    "So I'm still working hard, doing my job, because that's what he's looking for," Brady said. "And the day that's not what he's looking for, there comes a time for everybody. I hope to make that decision hard on him for a very, very long time."
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    Not to mention that for the first time in forever,Peyton has some decent talent behind him running the Ball....not since Faulk left in 1999 has Peyton had any reliable backs to ease the burden of the whole offense.
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    What, specifically, makes Manning’s mechanics superior to Brady’s?
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    Edgerrin James wasn't reliable?? The guy is the Colts all-time leading rusher. Other than the one season he got hurt, I'm pretty sure he was pretty dependable in the backfield.
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    Hell, even Addai was a 1000-yard back....
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    For someone [Peyton] I hated (but admired) for so many years.. I really do wish him the best.

    Eli on the other hand..
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    Edjerin James was a beast.
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    Edge went over 1500 yards rushing 4 times and had over 2000 all purpose yards 3 times.
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    Yes, every season except for the one he got hurt and the one after it he was over 1000 yards on the ground and in one of those years he was 11 yards short of 1000 and played 14 games
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    Peyton regarding his pre-season INT's: "Every interception has its own story."

    Translation: "Wasn't my fault."
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    Glad to see nothing has changed. Just two preseason games in and his receivers are already under the bus.
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    So Clayton is saying that Goober fundamentally throws differently depending on the direction of the pass? Don't non-Favre QBs just shift their feet so that all throws are essentially straight?

    Seems to me that Goober gets into trouble when he can't get on top of his throws. Don't know if it is grip strength or release angle, but the ball has a distinct wobble if there is any kind of launch angle. If he can't correct that, the situation will be exponentially worse in colder/heavier air and any kind of wind.

    After their bye (starting around Halloween), the Broncos face:
    @CIN
    @CAR
    SD
    @KC
    TB
    @OAK
    @BAL
    CLE
    KC

    All outdoor games with only Charlotte being relatively weather neutral. The schedule doesn't look that difficult, but that changes if Goober degenerates into a dink-n-dunk passer.
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    You did not argue that Faulk was the best RB Manning ever played with. That would have been correct.

    You argued that the only reliable RB Manning had played with was Faulk. That was insane.
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    So, everybody loads up the DBs on Manning's left leaving one guy - a strong safety, probably, to patrol Manning's right....like it's Big Papi at the plate.

    Then you load up the blitzers on Manning's right and send the house at him so there's all sorts of chaos coming from what will be his blind side because he's looking left the whole time.

    If the Broncos had a guy like Tim Tebow, they could run the wildcat at you and that would,... what? The Broncos traded Tebow? To who? The Jets? What are they gonna do with him?

    The AFC West is a hugely flawed but fascinating division. Norv playing not to lose in San Diego, Manning only capable of throwing to half the field in Denver, new system with Carson Palmer in Oakland and their unusual bag of distractions, and old friends Matt Cassell and Romeo Crenell in KC. I like KC a lot.

    (And to the previous post, Edgerrin James was the best back to ever play with Peyton Manning.)
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    The Broncos have a strong running game, a good OL and a more than handy defense. Much like the Steelers, it's always unwise to write off Peyton Manning. He and the Broncos will be fine.
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    Uh, excuse me. Ausbacker? Could you stand over here? To the left? So Peyton can see you when you say such nice things? Peyton has a hard time looking to his right with his stiff neck, and all. Thank you. That's much better. Yes, much better.
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