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Peterson at it again: LM this is toughness!

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  1. VJCPatriot

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    When Peterson went down with the injury, everyone in the football world held their breath. Would the promising rookie be able to recover? Were the critics right about his "upright running" style being too dangerous for the NFL?

    Peterson answered all questions with his breakout return performance in week 13. 116 yards rushing and 2 TDs. This is called Toughness people. It's an example that Maroney would be well served to learn from.

    http://www.nfl.com/players/adrianpeterson/gamelogs?id=PET260705

    After missing only 2 games (week 11 and 12), Peterson comes back with this type of performance. That's what I call a FOOTBALL player.

    In the face of seeing this type of toughness, coming back so quickly from injury, how can we countenance any further "babying" of Laurence Maroney?

    It has been over 9 weeks since Maroney was last hurt. (He missed games 4, 5, 6). We are now in week 13. It's time to see if Maroney is made of sterner stuff, or if he's made out of silly putty.
    http://www.nfl.com/players/laurencemaroney/gamelogs?id=MAR273311

    It is pretty clear the difference you get from a #1 franchise back and ... Laurence Maroney. But there are 5 games left in the season. "LoMo" can still redeem himself. He just needs to develop a bit of toughness and start running decisively.

    Like it or not, at least for 2007, Maroney is the #1 option for the Pats at the RB position. Come on Maroney, "buck up", take a page from Peterson's book. Run tough between the tackles and don't get intimidated by that Raven's D. Ray Lewis' best days are long behind him. And the Ravens offense is putrid. This is as good a game to step up as any.
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    Petterson tears it up with a torn ligament and a knee brace. Maroney could on dream to be as tough as this kid.
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    How do you guys know if it was Maroney or Belichick's decision to keep him out ? We were winning anyway, no need to rush him back. Minnesota really needed to win.
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    Well, if LM was made out of Silly Putty, wouldn't he get hurt less? I mean Silly Putty is pretty flexible and all.

    You should have said "or if he's made out of balsa wood" or something.

    Besides, can LM transpose your favorite newspaper funnies like Silly Putty can? I didn't think so. ;)

    :D
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    Ooooh boyee.. I predict atleast 3 pages for the thread.... :singing: I too, am on board with this..
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    He makes a mean glass of Kool-aide, I hear.:D

    Besides, Peterson is not a football player, he's a monster!
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    How come Peterson doesn't need "time" to "learn" how to be a NFL running back like our poor LoMo does??? I demand an investigation immediately because it is absolutely unfair that our poor LoMo needs time to "learn" the intricacies of the position but AP just gets to skip class and go out and bust arse!! Not fair!! Puhleaze. AP is a STUD people. A flat out, bonafide STUD. Putting our poor little LoMo in the same sentence as AP is an insult to AP. Hell, putting LoMo's name in the same sentence with glass is an insult to glass. LoMo is such a DUD it is embarassing. :D
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    Maybe we can trade for him... Maroney for Peterson straight up...:rolleyes:
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    why don't you and Danny get yourselves a couple of high powered rifles and stake out Route 1 next to the Razor...then when you see these unbelievably offensive players, the two of you can murder them and satisfy this unbelievable mania you've built up.
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    It takes different players different time to learn. Some guys just have "it" from the start.
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    You're right, silly putty does have an intrinsic entertainment value that Maroney doesn't. Perhaps that was an unfair comparison...

    Exactly. If Peterson can slap on a knee brace and play at that kind of level only 2 weeks later... what possible excuse is there to hold out Maroney from a football game 9 weeks later?
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    Wow this is a sick post. Just wow.
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    Seems hard to say someone has not lived up, when we do not know what he's been asked to do.

    Also, one of the tradeoffs for a team never talking about injuries is that we never really know.
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    Running back is by far the easiest position to come into this league and get the job done in big time fashion. LoMo NEVER sees 8 men in the box like these other STUDS do because he plays with Brady, Moss, and the best passing attack the NFL has possible ever seen. Yet, even with that clear advantage, he still can't do anything to impress. The proof is in the pudding.
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    Now that's going too far. I think all Patriots fans would like to see Maroney succeed, because he is still a Patriot after all. But we have the right to be tired of hearing all the excuses.

    I'd just like to see Maroney step up for once, to show that he has some kind of mental/physical toughness vs adversity. If he needs to slap on a knee brace, do it. But last time I checked football was a game played by men, not babies.
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    How do you know?
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    after thousands of anti-Maroney posts, it would seem that the next illogical step in the progression of this mania would be to act out. Happens all the time...look at the D.C. shootings a few years ago. Don't kill the messenger.
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    My opinion. Look at all the rookies that have come into this league and have torn it up. You don't see many rookies make pro bowls from other positions. We have seen lots of rookie running backs make pro bowls and be in the top 10 of all the NFL stat categories.
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    Oh I see! It's your opinion! Ok.
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    Wow. That's all I got to say. Wow.:confused:
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    Maroney is the starting running back on a team that is 11-0....somehow I'm missing the point of all this vitriol
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    Your statement makes no sense whatsoever.
    Maroney will make a very serviceable #2 RB at a controlled cost.
    But it's become pretty obvious unless he shows something soon, that he will never be more than a #2 RB.

    When did advocating drafting a new RB to become the Pats #1 RB in 2008 equate a call to homicide? I think you're taking things way too far in your desperate search for excuses for Maroney's disappointing performances to date.
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    Don't kill Lomo NSA!:D
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    This entire post is a load of crap. You take every possible opportunity to bag on the kid, and even started this thread as if Maroney had been recovering from the same injury and simply decided to take a couple months of recovery. You also conveniently omit reference to Lynch from Buffalo.

    You've allowed yourself to become a joke.
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    I'm not desperately searching for excuses to back Maroney...I could care less...if he's not doing a good enough job, BB will find another back to produce what is needed. It's the incessant clamoring by the "Maroney Maniac Movement" in the midst of an historic season that I find perplexing.
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    Why because he does not chug to kool aid with no pause for a breath?

    Why is maroney tough?
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    Shmessy locks down a "Maroney Sucks!" thread.
    Solution:
    Start another!:rocker: :bricks:
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    Do yourself a favor. Go through every team in the NFL and list the #1 running backs. Then, list those #1 running backs who've not missed any games this season. Heck, after that, feel free to do the same with every team's #2 running back.

    Get back to me when the light of reality starts to dawn on that head of yours.
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    Okay, I just screwed myself yesterday or the day before suggesting Meriwether be considered for OLB before checking and realizing that, whatever he was able to do in college, the guy weighs 200 and is having trouble at the safety spot. It was one of my more boneheaded posts of all time, and understand its impact on my credibility. That said:

    Brian Westbrook's career stats:

    2002
    not worth typing; started 3 games.
    2003
    started 8 out of 15 played;
    613 rushing yards, 332 receiving yards, 11 TD total
    2004
    Started 12, played in 13. 812 rushing, 703 receiving. 9 TD.
    2005
    Started 12, played 12. 617/616. 7 TD.
    2006
    Started 14, played 14. 1217/699. 11 TD.
    2007 (to date)
    Started 11, played 11. 994/604. 11 TD to date.

    Maroney, 06:
    7 total TDs (time share) 745/194. CF Westbrook, 03 (who had a year prior of spot use to even learn before playing.)

    07 (to date)
    467/37 2 TDs. Has played in 8 games.

    One of the very good running backs in the game, Brian Westbrook -- who was not considered a slouch breaking in -- broke in more slowly than Peterson. Most guys do.

    Minnesota got a great back in Peterson, whose "knock" was being injury-prone. That's probably behind him wanting to bounce back so fast so much. I would not guarantee that doesn't have consequences down the road, but yes, right now Peterson looks like an INCREDIBLE find (as advertised in the draft, which isn't necessarily any kind of guarantee.)

    Marion Barber, from Maroney's own school and same draft class, drafted lower, also seems to have a better resume to date. But "to date" is just too scanty at this point to draw these negative long-term judgments.

    Look at Westbrook's development, and how long it took him to get to the 2006 level, when we started thinking of him as a premiere back.

    You can't just point to the best guys at a certain position and say "how come OUR guy isn't THAT guy?!?" Some Philly guys were probably asking why Westbrook wasn't Priest Holmes in 03... I say, who cares?

    I agree it's time for LoMo to shake off that sophomore slump, dance less, and charge for the damn stripe when they're on the goal line. There's not always a "better" hole when you juke around for a step or two. Sometimes you have to make the best out of whatever sliver you see... the good backs know they have to do that, and you still get the feeling from LoMo that there's that hesitation.

    That said, the style seems to work overall in terms of yards per carry.

    But you guys saying he's made of glass, the jury's in and he's guilty of worthlessness, have to be kidding. Patience may or may not be a virtue in his case, but you don't give up on a guy of his caliber (coming into the league) based on one good year and one partial slump year.

    I think Bill Belichick is realizing Maroney "is what he is," and whether or not he'll develop Petersonesque toughness, he's not there right now. We need him fresh AFTER week 16 more than before, but we need some production out of him now as well... and that's the line BB is forced to walk with LoMo. I'm sure he'd rather not have to walk that line, but you play the hand you have, and you manage your resources accordingly.

    As to whether the resources available can be improved, I don't know that you immediately go that route. A lot will depend on LoMo's last few regular season games,and the playoffs. There's no Morris, and as yet there's no "return of Dillon," though I don't think that's out of the question.

    We'll see whether he holds up to do what he's called on to do -- and that's what we need to measure him by, not what we think he should be called on to do (such as carry the likes of Tavaris Jackson through a season.)

    PFnV
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