Discussion in 'Political Discussion' started by KDPPatsfan85, Nov 1, 2011.
Peter Schiff Speaks for 1 Percent at Occupy Wall Street - YouTube
Schiff is a smart guy, he called a lot of the bank failures. I like him...but....
He is being a capitalistic utopian, we gave the inmates the asylym and they decided to socialize failure.
I understand his point, but he doesn't seem to understand why the people are upset.
Pete Schiff doesnt get it.
I know Schiff personally through my father. My father helped him with his campaigning in CT and Schiff helped my father. I've talked to him many times when he was at my father's house. He knows what he is talking about. The point that Schiff is trying to make is that Socialism is wrong and that the protesters should be protesting at the white house. He is the only one from the 1% who has the balls to go out and talk with the 99%.
First: If people would've listened to Schiff a few years ago, this protest wouldn't be happening...you can check the past Posts I've had on your boy in this very forum...but that was years ago.
With this video...Schiff seems to be way off the mark and really out of touch with the poeple.
Its not about socialism. HIs inital stance is attempting to carve that out, and there is no meat there.
So whn I say he doesn't "get it", I mean he seems to be missing the point with his initial rebuttal, when he doesnt understand the stance of his opposition.
These peopl are protesting Capitalistic Socialism, which he seems to understand, and capitalistic influence in government, which he can't seem to grasp.
again...I think the dude is smart, and a visionary in certain fields, but it seems he's a neophite when understanding the effects of capitalistic socialism on a society.
EPIC WIN when warning of the financial collapse....but....In my eyes, he Fails in this video.
The protesters need to stop saying they represent the 99%. They certainly don't represent me and I'm not part of the 1%.
I am a 53 percenter and proud. Yup, I'm part of the 53% that work hard and pay taxes to support "others". I believe EVERYONE "should" want to work very hard. If you don't, you deserve the fruits of that attitude and nothing more and no one else owes you squat.
Well good for you! Let me bake you a cake and sing you a song!
So what? Do you really think that no one else works hard? And you support others as does a lot of other people, everyone pays sales tax and guess what? Your money also goes to big oil and unjust wars.....not just the poor and on that note only 15% or around that get some sort of handout, not to mention you and a lot of others get handouts too! See the rich and a ton of other people take a thing called deductions! and child tax credit! Those are handouts!
Yes you pay some to help the poor, and I would guess a lot of the poor would work if they could find jobs.....they're are always going to be a few bad apples but don't paint a broad brush stoke and say all are lazy or want to live off the system, cause most don't.
What makes you think they don't want to work hard? cause you heard a few stories about some bad apples? Not everyone wants to live off the government and guess what? EVERYONE TAKES A HANDOUT!!!EVERYONE! I KNOW A TON OF PEOPLE THAT GET CHILD TAX CREDIT, TAKE DEDUCTIONS AND A LOT OF BUSINESSES THAT TAKE SUBSIDIES!
Your better then this PR, your too smart to think like this.....
Peter Schiff......If only we didn't have government! If only we didn't have child labor laws! If only we didn't care about our environment! If only we didn't have min wage! If only we didn't have a heart!
Everything would be better right? .........WRONG!!!
I love how he says SS is a ponzi scheme, that right there tells me this guys doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground, only reason SS is in trouble is because our elected officials have stolen from it, its a great system but people steal from it, leave IOU then ***** about it cause it will go bankrupt because they borrowed from it to support wars and tax breaks for millionaires.
Then he goes on about how people have to pay taxes and that's not fair, this guy is a total D-Bag and not worth anymore of my time....
:agree: Schiff will not likely get his head around this. Maybe he will. Very bright guy. Just in the wrong plane of existence and that's the problem. Not for him, but for everyone else.
The People don't understand why the people are upset.
They want corporate socialism to end, and remove its influence on politicians.
they don't want to end capitalism, or divide the 1%'s money, they want a fair playing field.
if you can't understand that, you must be only watching FOX news.
1. I haven't watched Fox news in almost a decade.
2. If that is the case, then why are they on Wall Street. The reality is that if you asked 10 different OWS protesters you would get 10 different reasons, and most of them wouldn't even be sensible.
It's only one data point, but I stopped by the local "movement" when they were still out. I asked one of the few people who was there what they were protesting, and trying to achieve, and she said something about the post office across the street that may be closed.
I was surprised by the response, so I inquired as to whether there was anything else. She looked at me, confused. I told her I thought this was supposed to be about Wall Street, or the economy, and she responded, "yes." I then asked her "what about it," to which she responded, "all of it."
I walked away.
As others have said, this is the problem with a movement that isn't really a movement. Anybody can be a spokesman, and nobody is a spokesman. I dont think this woman is all OWS consists of. I've seen her around, and I think she has some psychological / mental issues, and may be homeless. She probably just joined them when they set up there. But while I certainly think there's a lot more to the movement than folks like her, I think there are probably plenty of folks who are similar to her as well.
Wall Street is ground zero for the very things they are protesting. Greed and influence in policy. It makes a TON of sense. If they occupied Haight Street...I'd say they were confused. When you calim not to know the reason why, is it because you don't see a problem, or don't accept the variety of grievances? When I first head of the OWS protests, it made 100% sense to me. I think if you can't understand it, like I said, you either watch FOX, or are removed from the working class. Its like Peter Schiff yesterday, taking a video camera down there to argue with these people. He's a smart guy, but the fact that he can't understand the anger, shows how removed he is.
the reason you get 10 different answers is because there is more than one reason people are upset. Bailouts, Unlimited campaign contributions, Outsourcing labor, Toxic mortgages, wage inequality, pensions, 401ks, Rewarding failure with bonuses...the lists are probably fdifferent for everyone.
I understand that people are angry over their various personal problems and have laid those problems on "the Rich". Some of that may even be valid but based on what I have read, I doubt most really understand the link.
As for Peter Schiff, I think he is trying to explain why he thinks some of their anger may be displaced.
Too bad Schiff didn't win when he ran for the Senate a real upgrade over the vast majority of the doofuses there now.
on so many levels
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