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  1. Rob0729

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    Read more: 2011 NFL Draft week begins with uncertainty at the top - Peter King - SI.com


    I'll take the 7th pick in the second round and what might be a high 2012 first round pick for the 28th pick.
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    something like this i could live with. If they are getting another 2nd rounder. Take your 17th, 33rd, wherever Ten would pick in the 2nd round, and your own 2nd rounder and next years #1st rounder you are in good shape.
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    Pats can trade down AS LONG as they address their needs in this draft. All too often this team has traded down while not addressing major needs especially on defense.
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    That would be great. I imagine it's one of the top 13 picks in the second round, so to drop a max of say 17 spots, you get a 2012 1st. And 33 is basically a 1st anyways so we'd still probably be able to draft someone we were considering at 28.

    And if we're really lucky, that team will start their crappy rookie QB from day 1, improving our draft slot in 2012. Okay, not likely, but I could dream. :D
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    this is what we were wishing for with the Raiders all last year! Let's say the Raiders were the Raiders of the previous 5 years and tanked it in 2010, would the Pats draft or trade that pick do you think?
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    FYI guys its specualtion of "A" team. It doesnt really mean our team.

    The redskins were actively shopping for extra picks this year and next. It could be a few teams.
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    there are 2 things that bother me:

    (A) so the Pats only have 5 picks next year ('12). Coincidentally, they happen to have rounds 1 thru 5 covered. So its not like that traded away 1,2,3 and have 4,5,6,7,7, right? We all know that BB's board is so different than everyone elses that whoever he wants in 7, for example, would probably be available an hour later when they call the kid to invite him to camp as a UDFA. I see this argument for trading for the future as a non-starter.

    (B) if this team drafts well this year and everyone else continues to matriculate, there won't be enough roster spots for 7 or 8 draft picks next year. And if there are weaknesses that evolve this season and need to be addressed next year, I think they go with vets who can bring some maturity to the fledgling '10 class. Remember the formula of winning the 3 SBs.
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    As long as we use one of the first round picks I'm happy. I mean, the trade Kings bring up I'm all for. I said a month ago that Dalton was my fav of all the late round QBs, key phrase "late round", now he's been hyped to a 1st rounder, it's crazy.

    Sometimes I think for us it gets frustrating watching them trade but for the most part if has done them well. Has it been perfect? No we have missed out on some very good players, but clearly it's something their dedicated too and they stick to their plan, and more often than not it works.
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    If a team decides they need an OG badly like Mankins and deal two high picks this year in a trade for him then I could certainly see numerous draft picks heading into 2012 because we would certainly deal those deal picks away for twice as many in 2012....right now I only see the Pats dealing the late draft picks in rounds 4 and 6 for a mid rounder next season.
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    Unless the CBA gets agreed upon in the next 72 hours that (trading Mankins) is not going to happen; with the lockout in place teams can trade picks for picks, but they can't trade players.
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    Be realistic here. If the Patriots are involved in the talks, and the team that wants to move back into the first round is willing to give up a 2012 first, the pick in question is much more likely the #17 rather than the #28. Let's look at the comps:

    2003 Pats send # 19 for Baltimore #41 and 2004 1st rounder (Boller)
    2007 Cowboys send #22 for #36 and 2008 1st rounder (B. Quinn)
    2004 Cowboys send #22 to Bills for #43, 5th rounder and 2005 1st (Losman)

    Versus the short range moves:
    2010 Vikings send #30 to Detroit for #34 and a 25 slot flip of 4th rounders (J. Best)
    2009 Pats send #47, #124 and #199 to Oakland for #40 (Brace)
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    Yes, it pretty much has to be pick #17 if we're talking about getting a 1 and a 2 back. Unless we trade down from 17 into the early 20s and then flip the pick, which is possible.
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    Except it is highly unlikely the Pats would have a trade done for 17 at this point. Because of the way the draft could shake out, there might be a blue chip player still available at 17. The Pats may be in a powerbroker position and get even more. Also, a guy they may love, but aren't willing to trade up might fall to 17 or close.

    Now the only way the Pats would have a deal agreed to that was basically done as long as the target player is available is if the trading team was giving them a sweetheart deal. That means they have been given an offer too good to pass up (assuming they are the team in question).

    The more likely scenario is that it may be a team in the second round with a lower pick than Tennessee as the trade partner. There was a rumor that the Chargers were talking with the Pats about the 28th pick. They are the 18th and the 29th picks in the second round. A second and a 2012 first is a more realistic trade at one of those spots. The Seahawks have the 25th pick in the second round and they need a QB of the future.
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    Cant trade players until there is a new CBA, I'm guessing you meant trade him for picks later?
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    I told me Dad just yesterday that I foresee the Steelers trading up to New England's first spot so they can get Pouncey to match up with his brother, and they need serious OL help.
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    I realized that it won't happen unless a CBA is in place so it can't be this draft...maybe 2012 into 2013
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    The team is the Raiders. And the picks are 48 and 2012 1st for 28.
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    Without a CBA in place at this late hour, trading down and away from unnecessarily expensive high-price high-risk rookies is prudent. If the rookie scale were locked in so Trader Bill and Owner Bob could know what the new meat might cost, it would be best to draft their brains out. 1st rounders are just a terrible crap shoot and these guys are so-so at this draft business like everybody else. Dodge, Dip, Duck, Dive and Dodge, my friends!
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    At 17 and 28, trading down for cap reasons isn't really a consideration. The only time even with CBA uncertainty (it is almost certain there will be a rookie cap in the new CBA) that trading down for cap reasons matter is picks in the top 10.
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    That's similar to my reaction to this.
    I've heard Jon Kraft point out that the Pats only have five picks next year.

    So, because they are down a 6th and 7th round pick, they are going to trade away a first? That's the rationale? That just doesn't make sense. If they decide to trade away a 2011 7th for a 6th and 7th next year, fine, that all adds up.

    Also, if they happen to lose, say, Gerard Warren, they'd probably pick up a 6th or 7th next year. Losing Light could net them an extra third.

    Further, when you pass up a player like OLB Justin Houston or OT Derek Sherrod or OG Danny Watkins or DE Muhammad Wilkerson, you set back the program a year. There's someone at #28 you could groom and have available in a year as a starter.

    I, for one, will go to bed cranky if I wait up till 1am to hear the Patriots traded out of #28 for something next year.
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    I've posted it in other threads, but it works as a response to your post. The Patriots have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds. If they can come out of that with

    DE
    OLB
    RB
    WR
    OL

    by using whatever lower picks needed, I'm fine with them trading every other pick into next year, as long as they are going to be able to bring back Mankins and Light.
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    This topic was raised in the draft forum... this (a 2nd round 2011 plus a 1st round 2012) was my best case scenario, made possible by the uncertainty of when the next draft will be (though I think most are confident that worst case scenario won't happen)

    Great news if that's the case - chances are good Belichick has some of "his guys" in mind that will still be there in the 2nd. And of course who knows how high the 2012 pick could be - and that in a year with a likely sane Rookie salary structure!
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    Wow, King's scenario sounds great to me, but I have to wonder if any team would be willing to give up their first next year just to move from the high/mid 2nd to the late first. That wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for the other team in the picture, unless they're deeply sold on one of the QBs at that spot.
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    #28 for TEN's 2nd this year and 1st next year... sign me up.
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    Better take your meds then. Cos trading down is a VERY LIKELY scenario for the Pats! :D Especially if they can generate future value while only moving down a round in this year's draft.
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    I don't think the Steelers need 1st round interior OL help. Now if the theory is that the Steelers trade up for a crack at one of the top-3 offensive tackles, I can buy that, but the interior line is at least passable.
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    If you tell me a disfunctional team wants our 28th for their 2012 first rounder, like, the Panthers, the Jaguars, an NFC West team, I'm in. If we can have a shot at getting the #1, aka Andrew Luck, that'd be super. I'd trade everything for him.
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    This, no matter how you spin it, ranges from good value to (if it's tennessee, and they start a rookie QB) AMAZING value.

    But in the end, it depends on the players they target. If they have a target that's value at #28, maybe this isn't a great idea. If their board'll hold up till #33, then this becomes a better idea.
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