Peppers wants Haynsworth money

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  1. TommyBrady12

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  2. Leave No Doubt

    Leave No Doubt Supporter Supporter

    Ouchie :( Well, it was fun while it lasted :eek:
  3. spacecrime

    spacecrime Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    Well, as I see it, he wants to play 3-4 OLB, and that is fine. ANd he want sto play for 3 or 4 of the league's premier teams, and that is fine. And he wants to be paid like a 4-3 DE, which is fine as long as he plays DE.

    But 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE are on two different pay scales.

    And the top three or four teams in the league already have a bunch of top players and can't break the bank of a new guy because it will throw their whole salary structure off. They will not be able to sign all their stars at the highest rate for that position, so they will gain Peppers at the cost of current players who have been dong well for them.

    My 2 cents.
  4. Zeus

    Zeus Supporter Supporter

    I think Cole's article is pretty good. But I don't think you can assume that Carolina would franchise Peppers again in 2010 for $20.16 million. The economy is bound to put a drag on this kind of spending. Next year's free agent class may be looking at a whole lot less money than we've seen being tossed around this year.
  5. Rob0729

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    In fairness to Peppers, he never said he wants Haynesworth money. "A source close to Peppers" said that he wants that type of money. And even then, the source says he wants to get paid, not that he expects Haynesworth money. Big difference.
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2009
  6. Synovia

    Synovia In the Starting Line-Up

    THey are right now, but they wont be in the next 5 or so years. Suggs is going to be the reason why.
  7. mayoclinic

    mayoclinic Supporter Supporter

    I don't think 2 cents will help much given Peppers' likely pay. :D

    To my mind, this article doesn't add very much. It only anonymously quotes some NFL personnel people saying that Peppers wants to get paid and thinks he deserves more than Jared Allen. There's no direct quote from Peppers or his agent, or even a named source.

    I agree with your analysis. Peppers can either go to a 3-4 team (and potentially a contender) OR he can play 4-3 end and get paid more, but not both. There's simply no justification for paying him Jared Allen (or even worse, Albert Haynesworth) kind of money for converting to a 3-4 OLB. If he really thinks he can get both the money and his preferred destination/position change than he has a screw loose.

    If he really wanted the money he would just sign the franchise tender and be done with it. The fact that he hasn't done so suggests that there is more to it than that. But who knows what's really going on in his head.
  8. mayoclinic

    mayoclinic Supporter Supporter

    Ware may be the reason why more than Suggs. Suggs is getting franchised at a compromise pay rate which splits the difference between LB and DE. On the other hand, Dallas may well end up paying Haynesworth-like money to extend Ware. 20 sack seasons go a long way to equalizing the pay.
  9. Rob0729

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    Also, Coles' logic is faulty. He makes the pretty hefty assumption that the Panthers would franchise and pay Peppers over $20 million next year and that Peppers won't take less than Haynesworth because he is nearly guaranteed $36.96 million over the next two years.

    Personally, I think if the Panthers have no intentions of paying Peppers the $16 plus million. I seriously doubt they would pay him over $20 million next year. So unless a team is willing to trade for Peppers without a long term deal, there is no shot of Peppers getting $36.96 million guaranteed over two years.
  10. NE39

    NE39 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Peppers isn't guaranteed anything until he signs his tender. Carolina could withdraw it today and the guy is a free agent and owed nothing. Granted, teams would be lining up to sign him, but the point is he isn't guaranteed anything.

    Also, he made an error on Brady's money. He left out the $3M bonus he was already paid this season and said he had $5.3M coming this year. Per Miguel, he has about $8M. Still a great bargain, but nonetheless a factual error.

    Cole's larger point is valid, though. It is going to take a huge contract to sign Peppers, and that might effect the amount of money available to keep other key players. Cap room aside, that kind of flies in the face of how the Pats have historically operated. Doesn't mean they can't change, but it is different.

    Peppers is a great player, but his signing would indicate a big change in the team.
  11. Pats726

    Pats726 Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    He's GETTING paid...usually a statement like that means "GIVE ME THE BIG BUCKS!!"...I have always felt that his attitude about money the raeson he will not be here..and I think if he does will be disruptive....his past shows what he is about...MONEY!! he may be a great player..but he's not one I feel comfortable bringing here..maybe CoachB and others will temper that...
  12. The_Riddler

    The_Riddler 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

    Screw it............

    Let's keep our CAP space and precious 4 day one picks, draft Maybin, English, Matthews or Barwin as well as our future SS and WR and let Peppers go and clog up someone else's CAP.
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2009
  13. Leave No Doubt

    Leave No Doubt Supporter Supporter

    How easy is it to switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4? Just remembering back to when Manjudas tried switching up his guys and it was an epic fail IIRC, though for sure a single-player switch must be easier than switching an entire defense. But still:confused: Being an experienced, proven 3-4 player is different than a 4-3 player just deciding he wants to be a 3-4, then (reportedly) expecting big money for deciding that.

    What a LONG-***** off season:bricks:
  14. Pats726

    Pats726 Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    I agree,,,it's interesting on one hand..but look at his past..given that he's NOT one I would wish to bring in...he's had contract problems all the time with the Panthers..what in the past would make ANYONE think he is different?? Once here..he'd be really a problem...and he may TALK a bit to get in..but he don't trust him..his past is something that SAYS what he is..$$$$$$...just like Law.
  15. Rob0729

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    He may want to get paid, but he has never said anything about getting paid top dollar. He may want to get as much or more than Haynesworth, but I have seen very little from this article to prove that than two unnamed sources. Unnamed sources are a crapshoot with their accuracy (just ask John Tomase on that one).
  16. Pats726

    Pats726 Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    I would say u need to take a look at past years and what happened with Carolina..and how much money he's left oin the table..ever...I could care less about his statements now..his past speaks loudly. ,,and to me it's a past that is filled with wanting top dollar and more. Every year the Panthers have had seems. I would be really suspect if he came here..not only because of what he would do..but what problems he might start in others also wanting the big bucks.
  17. borg

    borg In the Starting Line-Up

    At some point, Carolina may cut bait. Dropping $16 mill on a one year contract, little maneuverability in free agency because of it, and the poor QB play in the playoffs may all be too much for the Panthers. Management may just say , "this is not the year to go for it."
    Why wouldn't they try to sign Taylor for 1/3 the price and move on. Only one team has earned a SB ring this decade with an over the top contract, Indy, and only because of 4 dozen rule changes (sour grapes).
  18. fair catch fryar

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    I was excited like everyone else and would love to see Peppers sporting the Flying Elvis opposite Adalius Thomas, but if this is true and the more this drags out then I say, "thanks, but no thanks." and either pick up Taylor for the right price or address it in the draft.
  19. signbabybrady

    signbabybrady Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    Everyone keeps pointing out our upcoming FAs when mentioning Peppers. I don't see why that matters much. They are independent. What BB will spend on a LB doesn't have to mean he wont spend on a DL or a QB. Next year Bruschi likely would be off the books and you have Mayo on a rookie salary so ILB will be a little less expensive than normal in the future allowing OLB to more exoensive...IMO salary structure wise the biggest issue to Peppers would be Thomas 9 mil hit next year because Peppers would likely be close to that number too.
  20. RoughingthePasser

    RoughingthePasser Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    We have all made sacrifices in our lives.

    The ball is in Julius Peppers court.:cool:

    How much $ is really enough JP?:confused:
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