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    In the perpetual alternate reality machine that is the American right, few phenomena are as striking as the claim that the Bush/Cheney regime "kept us safe" for 8 years. While we "fought them [sic] over there so we wouldn't have to fight them here," -- in reality, we made guys to fight "there," once we shifted to Iraq, all sorts of plots were hatched. Richard Reid pretty much did the same thing as the underwear bomber, but that didn't count (not on US soil! No fair saying they keep trying!) But they did keep trying. How about the "dirty bomb" plot that a bunch of Canadians tried to pull? The DC sniper? Yeah I felt real safe.

    But of course, the most blatant example of how Bush/Cheney "kept us safe" is 9/11 itself, right? That's a bit of a problem, if you think about it. We now have the right (as usual) saying those bad soft Democrats can't properly run a national security apparatus... while they themselves presided over that apparatus during the single greatest terrorist attack on US soil.

    No problem, in Righty land!

    Here's Rudy Giuliani basically saying 9/11 never happened:

    Giuliani Claims 'No Domestic Attacks Under Bush' - Sphere News

    Anybody else sick and tired of the right wing trying to equate incoherent hate with effective policy? I.e., the loud cries of "OH MY GOD, WE'RE GIVING HIM A CRIMINAL TRIAL!!!! THAT'S LOSING THE WAR ON TERROR!!! BAD DEMS! SOFT DEMS!!!"

    Uh, no it's not. It's calling murderers what they are, criminals, instead of elevating them to some sort of national threat you can fight a war against. We tried that. What happened was, since they wouldn't behave like a nation state, we simply morphed Osama Bin Laden into Saddam Hussein for a couple of months in the press, then attacked the latter. The premise being, of course, that if you eliminate hard-to-get targets, what remains must be your enemy.

    Right wingers are lazy thinkers, and take lazy, ineffective courses of action as a result. Good men and women are duped into wars that achieve nothing, and our very bravest die because of these delusions.

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    Read that earlier, good way to frame it...
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    When Bush came into office had he tried to enforce and put into place "Real Security" the way Israel does it he would have been crucified by the Politically Correct Knee Jerkers and "racial slobberers".

    Israeli Security should have been in place in America during the Billy Blue Dress watch, the Old Blind Muslim who was the leader of the first attack on the WTC stood before the microphones and camera's and told the world "We Will Be Back To Finish This Job" Liberal Clinton ignored him.

    Clinton Had 8 Years To Secure America (Israeli Style)
    Bush Had 8 Months.
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    Quite sure that this Guiliani statement will be repeated so often that there will be those who forget the truth...
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    Bush was terrible before 9/11. And he wasn't a good policy president ever, but on the score of keeping the homeland safe, from 9/12/01 to Jan, 09, there is NO ARGUING that he did an effective job.

    Either by luck, policy, or action, there were NO significant attacks on US soil. The only thing close was Reid. No amount of your pontificating can counter that. Now Obama has had two fairly significant events in just under a year. Ft. Hood and the Christmas Day Crotch bomber. Both were HUGE intelligence failures.

    Now, you can argue that Obama is doing nothing more then extending Bush's policies and that these failures are still systemic........ and I would agree. But the whole argument is more garbage, tat-fot-tat, partisan politics.
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    Does anybody really believe that Barack Hussein Obama can or will keep this country safe, Al Queda's dream has come true, Bush is gone America is once again "Ripe" the Slobbering Politically Correct Loons are now running the country, America will be attacked again under this administration, you can bet on it.
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    I agree, any attempt is serious... but to deny that nothing happened under Bush's watch is a flat out lie, sure this AM Guiliani's comments are floating all over the web in basements everywhere... and lemmings are just following.. it is pretty responsible for Guiliani to say this.

    Not sure I want to keep score... prefer it be 0 - 0.
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    I'm quite SURE he meant after 9/11. For god sake, the man lived it as much as anyone did, so it's not like he forgot it. Regardless of his politics and if you like them or not, he has not "forgotten" 9/11, and it was likely that he was referring to the period after.

    Much ado about nothing.
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    Much ado about nothing my fat furry behind.

    Bush did not keep this country safe, before or after 9/11. You can see that in these very posts:

    "Basically nothing happened," when Richard Reid can't light his shoe right.

    "Massive intelligence failure" when the Nigerian kid can't light his underwear right.

    I can't think of a more similar case.

    The Orwellian rightist propaganda machine has been in overdrive for decades now, but since 9/11, they've gotten positively delusional. And it seeps into all of their (theoretically) more balanced former centrists as well as their fringies (who are rapidly becomming the center of the GOP.)

    Do you even hear yourself, when you say the shoe bomber was nothing, but the underwear bomber was a massive intelligence failure???
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    Much ado about nothing refers to Rudy's comments. It's obviously meant to reflect after 9/11, not the whole time. You lefty's are fond of using the "oh, he just misspoke" to cover for the ONE's gaff's (57 states et all), so we'll just claim this one under the same flag. Fair is fair, ehh? Like I said..... MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING.

    As for Reid...... I acknowledge that one. I also acknowledged that luck might have been involved. But let's face it. Reid was 8 years ago, and at the time that it happened, it was a totally NEW and never seen before tactic. No such excuse for this one. It was the EXACT same scenario, except the explosive (same one used I might add), was in his crotch instead of this shoe. Failing to catch something that you SHOULD expect to happen is a bigger deal then something you've never seen before.

    Even your boy STEWART pokes fun at the irony. (watch the first section).
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    +1. His meaning is absolutely clear to anyone with a brain and this is, like you said, just an attempt to make much ado about nothing.
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    If the Underwear Bomber were a "White Christian Swedish Minister" they probably would have looked in his underwear, no security guard in his right mind would have dared ask this guy to show him his underwear, if the bombers underwear was clean the guard would have lost his job and been branded a Racist for the rest of his life.

    If GW Bush had caught and stopped the 9/11 Muslims before they could attack Bush would have suffered the same fate (Bush The Bigot)
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    Rudy attended the funeral of every NYPD & Port Authority cop and NYFD person who died on 9-11. I think he has never forgotten 9-11. Ask anyone who works with cops or firefighters in NY whether they think Rudy has forgotten 9-11.
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    Blame America Liberals Want Us All To Forget 9/11 They Don't Want Us Getting Mad At Allah

    I once heard a liberal say 'wouldn't it be great if the 9/11 terrorists were methodists'
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    A bomb on a plane was a 'totally new' tactic when Reid tried it, eh?

    You people really are disconnected.
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    Right revisionist history:

    George Bush was inaugurated on 9/12 right after the epic fail of Bill Clinton who was completely responsible for 9/11

    Despite contrary beliefs here is the actual clip.. he said that there were no terror attacks during the Bush administration...cannot be any clearer than this.. George Stepenapolous did not call him on his lies.. so what else is new.

    YouTube - Giuliani: We had no domestic attacks under Bush
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    Absolutely NOT. Fail on that one.

    Just watched it. They were talking about Bush's good and bad points verses Obama's and the exact quote was.

    "At least Bush handled this like it was a WAR ON TERROR and there were no Domestic attacks on US soil....."

    Clearly he was talking about the time after 9/11 when we were "in the war on terror" part. Putting up the actual clip weakens your argument, not strengthens it. Obviously, it's a misspeak because 9/11 itself was an attack, but Rudy wasn't talking about that. In "context" to the discussion, this IS NOT BIG DEAL.
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    Using that type of explosive, being a muslim, one-way ticket, no luggage........ Yeah, in the war on terror, it was new tactic. Of course putting a bomb on a plane literally.

    This guy used almost an identical scenario with the explosive simple moved up to his junk and still made it through. It's a worse screw up, weather you want to believe it or not.
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    Clear as mud... some folks want to hear what they want to hear.. just more revisionist history..

    Even if this did happen, George S.. should have asked for clarification...

    Guiliani is just another right wing tool...
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    Clearly that is the case with you......

    context............ what are they talking about when he says it? ANSWER: War on Terror
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