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People claiming Seymour isn't even one of the 5 best DL in football!

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  1. Crazyeechrispats1

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    I know to some of you this is gonna be a waste of a post, although not to me.
    Currently on espn headlines under the Freeney signing alot of posters are saying that Seymour isn't even in the same class as Dwight Freeney.
    I know people are entitled to their opinions but that is just a ridiculous statement and I believe we will See Seymour grow even more dominant this season with Adalius Thomas wreaking havoc on on both sides of the line of scrimmage!
    To me Seymour is at least the top 3 I'd say Convincingly only Taylor is more dominate as of right now.
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    Welcome Crazyeechris.

    Don't pay to much heed to ESPN bloggers. Their hate for NE is well known. 2 different players in 2 different systems. Seymour takes up space and occupies blockers (usaully more than 1) to give the LB's a chance to make a clean play.

    Freeney pins his ears back and hopes someone either misses their assignment or is the tackle is inexperienced enough for him to spin on. He has no game versus the run.

    Seymour is more valuable to his teammates than Freeney, who makes no one around him better.
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    Ok..... Seymour is hands down the most versitle, and probably best at what he does. So yeah, they are dumb.
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    They don't play the same position.

    Freeney would be a linebacker on the Pats, if he could play linebacker.
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    $5 they dont think hes top 5 because his stats

    3-4 DEs dont get as much recognition because they usually wont get 10 sacks because they have other responsibilities than just rushing the QB.

    at least our DE can stop the run and doesnt rely on 1 move (cough cough FREENEY cough cough)
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    Yeah that is true people are so obsessed with sacks that they forget about all the other things great football players do.
    Such as just making the QB hold the ball that extra second or hesitate a throw to disrupt the timing. Not to mention the double and at times triple teams he faces.
    It's Players like Seymour who dominates and doesn't get the accolades he truly deserves from simple minded people.
    Thank you for the welcoming seems like a great place to chat about my favorite and to me the only team in the NFL that truly matters.
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    yep. 3-4 lineman arent the "go sack the QB" type

    they have to open up the hole for the linebackers by moving to a certain spot or taking out the tackle-guard or whoever is blocking.
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    Everyone around here is too sensitive....why would anyone care if some putz from East Bumphuque, Nebraska isnt a Seymour fan? :eek: Believe it or not, the Pats may not be the best team of all time in most peoples minds....some reporters may think Manning is better than Brady....other reporters may bash the Pats!...my God, get over it folks!
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    Don't listen to them. Seymour is the #2 defense line man in the NFL. To me, he is right behind Julius Peppers.
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    Seymour plays a 2-gap 3-4. That means he has to hold the line and control the gap on either side of him. That's no small feat when he's getting doubled the entire game. It might not be flashy but it's a huge task. He's a wall out there. Anyone who thinks that Seymour doesn't make it easier for other people on defense, doesn't know anything about football and is driven on stat hype.
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    This is what makes Ty Warren's 2006 totals that much more impressive. 84 tackles and 7.5 sacks are what 3-4 OLBs should be getting.
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    Dwight Freeney is a very talented pass-rusher and an incredibly one-dimensional player. Richard Seymour does EVERYTHING. It's a silly, ridiculous, short-sighted, genuinely ignorant position that many are apparently taking.
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    That's what I was thinking...scary.
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    sorry, no ! i like noticing the ignorant and bashing the uniformed. living in san diego, my neighbors are decidely both. i have a field day with these mice.
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    then why is it that the colts give fewer avg rushing yds per attempt on freeney's side than they do on the other side?
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    Nicely said, Seymour sometimes does not show up in the box score or with minimal numbers, however when you look at the game tape it is obvious why. Often double and triple teamed, he holds the corner and makes everyone else look better. He is consistently voted by his peers to the pro bowl.. take it for what it is, he is one of the top at what he does and makes this team better.
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    Could you please provide the proof to back up your claim? Any stat site would be great.
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    Seymour wasn't close to being a top 5 DL last season. Ahead of him

    T Warren
    J Taylor
    Trevor Pryce
    Terrell Suggs
    J Henderson
    J. Williams
    Jared Allen
    Pat Williams
    K Williams
    A. Kampman
    J. Peppers
    W. Smith
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    and possibly more.
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    Since DL's include both tackles and ends, I don't think it's crazy to say Seymour isn't a top 5 DL but rather top 10. I think Warren actually outplayed him last year.
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    Based on what??
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    Seymour is a beast, but I think as long he plays for Bill Belichick he will always be underrated. Which plays out well for us. Let them keep thinking it's mostly scheme not talent.
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    Hey, Seymour was ranked 2nd amongst D-linemen for interceptions, and 3rd for passes defensed! :D
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    Based on my opinion. Seymour did not play up to his standards last season. Blame it on injury, although his durability has become a chronic issue. Part of being a fan is pointing out when your star players don't live up to the hype. In 2006, Seymour did not. Going forward I expect more from Seymour. One could argue that he was the least dominant member of our 3-man line last season. I also didn't appreciate that while being paid 24 million dollars in one calendar year, he took shots at the organization over the Deion Branch issue. Not the kind of leadership I was hoping for. But, the great thing about sports is there's always next year, and in 2007 Seymour has an opportunity to perform with the same ferocity he did in 2003, when he established his reputation.
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    Teams also began to double team Warren instead of Seymour about halfway through last year, too, when it became clear to the opposing coaches that Warren was at least as dominant as Seymour, and on a more consistent basis too.
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    oh. im sure u watched all those guys play week in and week out.

    he didnt play to his standards? he had a hell of a year with injuries.

    what do u need him to do? get huge stats? thats never gonna happen. he gets doubled and tripled while injured and still does a hell of a job. theres a reason our run D was top of the league and part of the reason Ty Warren did so well is because teams went away from Seymour and Warren took the advantage of it .
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    Seymour was not top 5 last season, not even close.

    QB12
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    I judge a player by on-field performance. Seymour's on-field performance was inconsistent in 2007. Seymour was not doubled as much as you imagine. Marcus McNeil dominated him one on one. Warren was doubled at least as much as Seymour and the reason teams ran in his direction is he mans the strong side of the formation, the natural running side. Furthermore, Warren was rushing the passer from the strong side as a DTackle (I consider a 3-4 DE most comparable in responisibility to a 4-3 DT), frequently splitting double teams, and still had 8 sacks. That is awesome for a natural run stuffer. As for Seymour...If the reason for his inconsistent performance was injury... in the NFL durability is as important a talent as speed and strength.
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    the reason they ran that direction was banta cain. they thought: hey..TBC cant hide behind Seymour forever..lets go attack that area. and if u noticed..we would of been fine has TBC been able to set the edge.

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