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Pelosi to artists: Quit your jobs, U.S. taxpayers have your health care

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    Great...Nancy Pelosi, the champion of American socialism is now telling people it's ok to quit you job because the "rest of us will pay for your health care".

    This just tells me that Pelosi doesn't deserve to be in office and confirms that she has no clue about reality.

    "Nancy Pelosi spoke to musicians and the artistically inclined in Washington DC, and instead of telling those in attendance they should get a job, she brought quite a different message: they needn’t bother working, because the taxpayers of the United States would cover their health care. Perhaps channeling her San Francisco district, Pelosi explained that without a job they would be free to focus on their talents, passions and aspirations because they wouldn’t be “job locked.”

    Just as an FYI to all artists, It's definately NOT ok to quit your job if you can't live off your trade. That's just stupidity.

    Listen to her actually say these words yourself....and

    Pelosi to artists: Quit your jobs, U.S. taxpayers have your health care | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment
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    That's the biggest scam of this whole thing. Nobody has ever been "job locked". Employers offered healthcare as a part of their benefits package to entice people to work for them. You don't HAVE to work for them you can just pay the full cost of the healthcare plan or seek out another employer with a similar benefit package. What a crock.
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    This is what statist like Pelosi believe. I mean after all forcing the poor dears to work is censoring their art. Clearly people who feel these sensitive artist should actually work and be separated from their art by work are Nazi's. ;)
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    Funny thing is, art has ALWAYS flourished in this country in the past. After all, artists just love to call themselves "Suffering Artists".:rolleyes:
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    #12 Jersey

    Unless, of course, you have a pre-existing condition - in which case you're toast - artist or not.
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    If you're presuming all welfare-receiving artists have a pre-existing condition, I might not disagree with you...
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    Pelosi is one of those people who go out of their way to make people hate them, the more she knows she's hated the more it turns her on, self gratification.
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    Congrats good sir. I am actually awestruck. I am flabbergasted. I am befuddled. I am a whole bunch of other adjectives I rarely use to describe myself. I... I want to cry, I want to punch someone, I no longer wish to have children to raise in to the today's society.
    To finish what will no doubt be just an angry, senseless rant, I am going to replace all badwords with a variation of the word frog.
    What the frog. This frogging frog-bag's mind can't truly be that frogging frog-backwards...
    Government: "No America, we're not socialists! Look over here! He's black! Hope! Change! We're making a difference! NO! Don't look over there! Not yet... WAR! War is bad! You love the troops right? We'll bring them home! Hope! Change! Look! Obama's kids are playing with a dog and his wife is wearing a cute dress! NEW and Shiney things! HEY! Pay attention! Keep looking over here! Oh noes! Earthquakes are bad! Hope! Change! Free stuff is good right? How about FREE HEALTH CARE! YAY! Wait! WOAH! Over here! There we go. Pay attention to me! HOPE! CHANGE! No worries! Hold hands. Everyone is equal! Hope! Change! Ok. Now, for the end of trick. Take out your wallet."
    America: "Um, where'd my money go?"
    Government: "It went to the people who needed it. You know, the people who refuse to work, the people here illegally, the people who do nothing to actually contribute to our great society. Now shut the frog up and keep working! These other people need to eat you know and they aren't going to feed themselves!!"
    America: "Well frog me..."

    Seriously. What the frog. How can she possibly get away with frogging saying this?
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    Yanno, I hang with a bunch of "artists," sometimes. I'm a part of the community, so to speak. I don't know a one of them who's on welfare, I honestly don't. Nor do I know anyone who doesn't work a "day job," either - and most of them are well educated and highly paid individuals.

    Do some of them keep their day jobs in order to have health insurance? I'm sure a few of them do. Writing, painting, etc., it generally doesn't pay all that well and the pay is sporadic to say the least. You may make enough to pay the rent - but not to pay the rent, eat and have individual health care insurance.

    I don't think Nancy was particularily smart to phrase it the way she did - and I'm not sure who she was talking to. If she were talking to students, however, it may make sense. There are a ton of bright, eager, hopeful kids out there who haven't quite caught on to the fact that they probably aren't going to sell that novel or hang that painting in the Louvre. But they want to try - and I say God love 'em, have at it. With the new changes in the healthcare policies now they can stay on their parent's insurance for a year or so while they lock themselves in the basement and write/paint/create to their heart's content.

    If they're older and want to give it a try, and they've saved enough money to bite th bullet, quit their day job for 6 months or a year and rent that cottage on the ocean while they get the novel out of their system, well, they can do it and they can find health care coverage while they're at it - regardless of the fact that they're an insulin-dependent diabetic who couldn't have hoped to do so last year or the year before that.

    For the rest of us - we're probably not quitting our jobs, no, but it's nice to know that we could do so and not be cut off from individually purchased health insurance simply because we had acne as a teenager.
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    #1 how did you get that insurance to begin with then if you're so concerned about pre-existing conditions

    #2 you don't have to be cut off, you just pay the full cost of the plan. TADA!
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    We're talking about people quitting their jobs, right? That's what "not being locked into" means, right? Preexisting conditions are not an issue in a group plan. Duh.

    Are you talking about COBRA? Because COBRA only lasts for so long - and it's not always feasible. For instance, when I moved out here to Va., I could have signed up for COBRA and paid a fortune for it but it wouldn't have done me a lick of good. My health insurance plan from my previous employer was an HMO and it was based on care given from providers affiliated with a specific hospital - if you went outside of those providers and that specific hospital it did not pay. Living in Va and having your health needs only covered in Indiana really doesn't do anyone much good. TADA!! Worthless at any cost.
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    You said having something as a teenager... and so you jumped around.


    Then pay for another plan at full cost... employer-subsidized healthcare is a benefit of employment not an entitlement.
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    If you had an illness as a teenager, before the new health care plan went into effect (and actually remains that way until 2014) you can be denied private insurance due to that illness.

    I don't know what you're getting at. Due to "pre existing" condition, I was uneligible for a private plan at any cost - as are millions of other people.
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    Okay, let's not get caught up too much in the pre-exisitng. I would file that under something that there should be a market for. My argument is against the "job locked" mentality. I am in favor of healthcare reform, just not in favor of many of the elements in the Obamacare bill.
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    Agreed....just trying to point out that being 'job locked" is often caused by the need for health insurance. That's a reality for many, many people.
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    So back to Pelosi. I can sort of see her point about being set free to pursue your dream if not having health care is the only thing stopping you but she should have been clearer with her message. Struggling actors, artists or entrepreneurs with good ideas might not ever get their opportunity but if the message that is heard is simply quit your and we'll carry you until whenever then it's the wrong message.
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    Sounds to me like your friends are really just normal working people who have some sort of artistic endeavor on the side as a hobby. And that's perfectly great. Even if someone is a professional artist, more power to 'em! But to have someone sitting back on the public dole so they can create worthless works of art all day is not something we should be encouraging.
    BTW, you know why I never act as a spelling/grammar nazi on this forum like you did to me? Because you look like 10 times the jackass when you behave like a spelling/grammar nazi and then make stupid mistakes of your own.
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    And no one here ever said they wanted people to sit back on the public dole, so quit trying to act like they did.

    Besides, how do you know it's "worthless" until you've done it?

    Ah, but unlike you, I don't call you a Nazi when you do it. I either laugh at myself for being a putz or I apologize for making the typo in the first place.

    Sorry for leaving off the "e," I get excited sometimes and my brain flies faster than my fingers.

    :rofl::rofl::rofl:
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    Actually, that's exactly what Nancy Pelosi said, and that is the point I am addressing. She said artists should not feel "locked into" their jobs. She needs to realize that just about all of us are "locked into" some sort of job. I know I couldn't make my ends meet without some sort of employment.
    This question makes no sense. I don't have to be an artist to recognize crap when I see it. What I am trying to say is that if someone is not talented enough to make a full time living off of being an artist, they should not receive public or government subsidies in order to help them do it.
    That's because I don't do it!! (DUH!)

    I recognize this is an informal atmosphere and we all make plenty of spelling and grammar errors. Hence you will never see me criticizing someone else's spelling or grammar errors except in those instances where that someone has criticized mine.

    So if you are going to call me out for a grammatical or spelling brain fart I made somewhere (and Lord knows I make plenty of 'em) then I am going to turn it around and throw it back in your face. This is a lesson Chicowalker learned a few days ago and I will make you the same offer I made him: We can ignore our silly little typographical mistakes and focus on content, or we can continue pointing out each and every little spelling error, incorrect sentence structure, etc, etc. It's up to you.
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    #12 Jersey

    You do realize that America has a long standing history of "supporting" artists and their art, don't you?

    It's called The NEA - The National Endowment for the Arts and it gives millions of dollars in grants and monies to both individual artists and to artistic group endeavors.

    National Endowment for the Arts

    Bush gave them an additional $18,000,000.00 in 2004 - the biggest increase they'd had since 1984.

    Obama has also kept a campaign promise to continue their funding as part of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.

    The NEA is the nation's largest annual contributor to the arts.

    Virtually all governments subsidize their artists. Some to a larger degree than others.

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