Discussion in 'Political Discussion' started by Run DMC, May 22, 2008.
and a ruse for perennial war:
you gotta be kidding. religion and oil don't mix. but really who do you believe? and even if there is more oil do we get it and then delay the energy transition to another source? enough oil for 200 years? does this take into consideration the growing population. a rising world population is eventually going to burst.
I could stand at a podium and spout off declarations also. Unfortunately, IEA chief Fatih Birol and multitudes of others not offiliated with Big Oil have a completely different take than this old man.
I will watch all 8 parts, and see if it holds up against the 1,400 pages of literature I have that tells a very painstakingly detailed picture otherwise.
It is ironic, however, that this guy is actually saying "Peak Oil" is a ploy by Big Oil and our masters. When, in fact, Peak Oil has been effectively muzzled by Big Oil for decades, to the point of shunning reporters from world energy conferences in Paris and Berlin, as well as hiding the transcripts of Cheney's Energy Taskforce in early 2001 all the way up to the Supreme Court.
Yes, of course, it's Big Oil promoting Peak Oil theory. And black is white, day is night, up is down...
check my other post link and read those articles for the answer to these questions.
how come you start a thread and have the answer in another? beauracracy
I haven't seen the video, but, all peak oil is, is, false scarcity.
Plain and simple.
Yes, we've seen this assertion time and time again... It goes a little something like this:
You guys: Peak Oil is a lie...
Us: Really? Well, this IEA chief says otherwise, as does this geologists, this physicist, this oil giant conference, and the extraction records of most every oil producing nation on the planet.
You guys: Peak Oil is a lie...
Yes, you mentioned that... Now, do you have anything a bit more concrete?
ya oil is going to last forever.... drink/fuel up
>>> BUMP <<<
nobody knows for sure.
Speculation on oil's future is the real cause of prices skyrocketing.
here is an interesting perspective:
As detailed in an earlier article, a conservative calculation is that at least 60% of todayâ€™s $128 per barrel price of crude oil comes from unregulated futures speculation by hedge funds, banks and financial groups using the London ICE Futures and New York NYMEX futures exchanges and uncontrolled inter-bank or Over-The-Counter trading to avoid scrutiny. US margin rules of the governmentâ€™s Commodity Futures Trading Commission allow speculators to buy a crude oil futures contract on the Nymex, by having to pay only 6% of the value of the contract. At today's price of $128 per barrel, that means a futures trader only has to put up about $8 for every barrel. He borrows the other $120. This extreme â€śleverageâ€ť of 16 to 1 helps drive prices to wildly unrealistic levels and offset bank losses in sub-prime and other disasters at the expense of the overall population.
The hoax of Peak Oilâ€”namely the argument that the oil production has hit the point where more than half all reserves have been used and the world is on the downslope of oil at cheap price and abundant quantityâ€”has enabled this costly fraud to continue since the invasion of Iraq in 2003 with the help of key banks, oil traders and big oil majors. Washington is trying to shift blame, as always, to Arab OPEC producers. The problem is not a lack of crude oil supply. In fact the world is in over-supply now. Yet the price climbs relentlessly higher. Why? The answer lies in what are clearly deliberate US government policies that permit the unbridled oil price manipulations.
i like Alex Jones, but I just don't agree with his theory on this one at all... it's not "artificial scarcity" ... Peak Oil is real, and converse to his rationale, Peal Oil is precisely why our leaders are acting like unaccountable Wild West desperados... because they recognize a desperate situation, and "the American way of life is not negotiable." .... I don't agree with that line of thinking either, but greed has taken hold ....
Hubbert predicted US oil peak in 1970, North Sea oil peak in the late 90s, and global oil Peak between 2005-2012... he's been right every time...
Wouldn't it make more sense for some bright, courageous politician to aggressively pursue (through tax incentives/rebates and grant money) alternative energy sources now? Either a guy like Obama or someone who looks up to Teddy Roosevelt as a personal hero? The "American way of life" may not be negotiable, but if someone would work at it now, not only would the "American way of life" be more sustainable, that politician would be considered a genius in the future.
Well, a president tried to warn all western societies of its desperate need to get off hydrocarbon fuels in 1977, but he was "unelectable" the next time around.
Well, there was a lot more wrong with Carter than that just that.
But I wonder--as I've been arguing in another thread--there've been about 2 generations since then (well...1 and a half), and the technology has improved a great deal to where things such as solar and wind etc are relatively cheap and fairly easy to use now. Plus there seems to be a different mindset now. It seems as though people are more willing to listen, to buy into alt energy, they just need better directions than turning food into inefficient fuel.
Wind and solar will never be more than a mild supplement, but I have no problem with expansion of those technologies.
In a mircocosm of the problem UNprogressive American faces, it's interesting that old, staunchly republican Cape Cod and it's ancient commission (which decides everything), is blocking wind turbines in Nantucket Sound to the ends of the Earth because they don't want it to sour their prestine view. These people have no clue what kind of energy crisis looms on the horizon, and they probably don't care, because they'll be dead by then anyway. So much for their grandkids, however... Now, of course, a windfarm off the coast wouldn't be the solution to the entire problem, but it underscores a mindset that people have -- especially older conservative people -- that displays how completely out of touch they truly are.
Umm...wasn't Teddy K. one of the loudest voices there?
and cut off the tax revenue gravy train? and who says they haven't already discovered it but suppressed it?
Well, I think you and I have had that discussion recently.
And it's why I laugh when some people talk about "the government needs to do this" or "that" because they're not going to do a goddam thing as long as they're making billions of dollars. I mean, they tax the power plants on the oil they buy. Then they tax them on the emissions.
Hmmm... well, I agree with everything that they both said.
Tesla made free energy for all, yet what happened to him?
He died a broke man that they ruined.
And then designed the HAARP and GWEN after his brilliance.
you are correct about this. greed and hedonism are at the walls of democracy and have already started to undermine the foundations. many would save it's already penetrated the walls
Hmm. Sounds almost like the revolution committee has a new member.
There will be congressional hearings on this next week. Dealing with Hedge fund managers and oil's high price being all "speculation on futures"
some are reporting that the price of oil is 50-60% higher than it should be based on speculation. So I'd say that peak oil is a concern, to hedge fund managers.
so much so, that they are driving up the privce more than twice the ammount.
Hedge fund managers are greedy evil people. It's kind of in the job description. It's funny--a few days ago Saudi Arabia said oil should be around $75 a barrel. Now you're talking about the price of oil being about 60% higher than it should be.
Sigh--I've been blaming Wall Street for some time, but no one believed me.
It doesn't change that we need to become petro free sooner rather than later...but still.
i'd just say we need to hit the reset button occassionally to get back to the ideals that the country was founded on as we have strayed from them.
but seriously when it the last time the masses stood up for an ideal and did something about it?
mid 18th century, wasn't it? Although I suppose you could include Selma.
couldn't we call the civil rights movement standing up for an ideal? protesting the vietnam war? women suffrage? joing the war effort in WWII?
Chelsea Clinton.....Hedge fund manager (shocker)
My boy who I'm playing golf with tomorrow is a fund manager.....he will be getting grilled all day. I'll report back, but next week's hearings should be interesting.
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