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    FRONTLINE: sick around america: interviews: tom delbanco, m.d. | PBS
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    Found this and wanted to post it without making a new thread but it raises two questions, one about the validity of what we saw and two, IS there something up with PBS? I know some of their major funding comes from pharma companies, also from the Ford Foundation among others so did that affect what was broadcast?

    IS something rotten at PBS?? Russell Mokhiber: Something is Rotten at PBS
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    two guesses on the poster who one-starred this thread...

    starts with an 'F'....
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    LOST is damn good too, but Frontline has the jump on informative reporting. LOST has the edge on everything else.


    Great episode of Frontline, again. The one lobbiest they interviewed for the medical insurers needed a kick to the face. I understand its his job to be a complete a-hole, but he really needs to check himself.


    Profit before care! YAY America!!!!!!

    makes me feel all red-white-and blue inside.
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    You can go to Nationalized Health Care countries and find that you can't get drugs you can get here (unless you pay for them yourself) because they're too expensive. It's basically the same as "profit before care", some of the better drugs are just too expensive so they aren't available.
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    you also pay for them here.

    are you just spouting out of you azz, or did you watch the piece, and ignore all the parts where people had to declare bankruptcy to get drugs?

    The number of non american people throughout the globe who have declared bankruptcy because of healthcare costs = ZERO

    The percentage of Bankruptcies in America that are caused by healthcare costs? 50%


    you can't be Cereal?
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    They don't go bankrupt, they die. And I'm not talking out of my ass, I have a cousin who's a cancer specialist in England. To get the better cancer drugs - ones which insurance and medicare DO pay for - in England you not only have to pay for those expensive drugs yourself but you then have all cancer payments voided and have to pay for your whole treatment.
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    #80 Jersey

    maybe you should watch the Frontline piece...

    you seem really concerned about people in the UK, but not a teenaged girl with Lupis in America. Cool.

    Why has EVERY nation adopted these practices, and we have not? Why has medicine been adopted throughout the world as a right, but not here? Why is our cost per person twice the global avreage, yet our care ranks in the low 30s?

    there are many reasons, my friend.....a lot of them are addressed in the Frontline piece.

    Admin costs
    Unredgulated drug prices
    Profit over care

    thats just a start.
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    Medical Bankruptcies: A Data-Check - The Numbers

    "President Obama’s kicking off his health care reform today in the worst possible way: with a mischaracterization of data . . . The figure comes from a 2005 Harvard University study saying that 54 percent of bankruptcies in 2001 were caused by health expenses . . . A more recent study by another group, approaching it another way, indicates that in 2007 about eight-tenths of one percent of Americans lived in families that filed for bankruptcy as a result of medical costs. That rings a little less loudly than “one every 30 seconds . . . A good part of the problem is definitional. The Harvard report claims to measure the extent to which medical costs are “the cause” of bankruptcies. In reality its survey asked if these costs were “a reason” – potentially one of many – for such bankruptcies . . . Beyond those who gave medical costs as “a reason,” the Harvard researchers chose to add in any bankruptcy filers who had at least $1,000 in unreimbursed medical expenses in the previous two years. Given deductibles and copays, that’s a heck of a lot of people . . . Moreover, Harvard’s definition of “medical” expenses includes situations that aren’t necessarily medical in common parlance, e.g., a gambling problem, or the death of a family member. If your main wage-earning spouse gets hit by a bus and dies, and you have to file, that’s included as a “medical bankruptcy.”"

    Not to suggest Barry is misleading us, or anything :rolleyes:
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    Our health care is more expensive because it's better (see : cancer drug example). I don't believe the quality ranks as low as you claim as statistics are manipulated to make it look bad.

    If you were sick would you really choose to be flown to Canada or England ? Seriously ?
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    48 Million uninsured americans thats 1/6 of our brothers, sisters, and children have NO INSURANCE. Yet you claim we have the best care in the world....really. I have about 48 Million americans who would disagree with you. Infact There are another 200 million overpaying for the same 'quality care' you claim is so wonderful. The problem lies in the corporate profits people are making on denying coverage to sick people and overcharging the healthy. Add into that inflated admin costs, and an unregulated drug market, and you have grand theft Hospital happening to our own citizens by its own government and healthcare insurers.

    a simple "No, I haven't watched the video" would do. Bow out.
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    Those numbers are wrong. A good number are illegals. A good number are young people with good jobs who choose not to get insurance as they're healthy. Many kids who are "uninsured" from their parents from other sources.

    Ooooh, the video. ******* gospel.
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    LMAO, you're clueless.

    Drugs are more expensive here because the national health care countries buy them in bulk cheap - the ones they're willing to pay for - now, should we charge more ? Probably. But if we went to that system and paid the same amount to "get" the nasty drug companies there would be no development of new drugs. Personally I think we should make the rest of the world pay more instead of our subsidizing of them. But if we paid what they pay - no more new drugs.
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    If its 100 people, its still wrong.

    The number is accurate, infact over the last 2 years the total number of americans who have gone without insurance is double that. We argued over this a few weeks ago.


    So, you haven't watched the doc, and only listen to one friend in England. You have yet to even listen to the opposing viewpoint. You seem to be deaf to the systems that work, and are quite popular around the Earth. You sound a lot like the lobbiest for the insurers....

    whats in it for you by having millions of uninsured, sick americans? Whats so awesome about that?
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    I disagree. Health care is not a birth right.

    I disagree with that too.

    They're popular by the governments, I have many relatives in England and some in Canada and they aren't popular by the people.

    There's nothing awesome about it and I have said that I support trying to pool groups together to get insurance. But it's still not a birth right and it someone isn't working they have no inherent right to be given free health care.
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    so...you are cool with The United States creating drugs, selling them to the rest of the world at a discounted price, and in turn overcharging the AMERICAN PEOPLE????


    WTF?


    If those markets are so "Unregulated", why wouldn't the drug companies sell them at the highest price? Do they also hate americans? Where is your logic?
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    "Life, Liberty and the persuit of happiness"


    LIFE IS THE FIRST FUKCING ONE!!!!!!!


    its a right. somehow Guns are more of a right to americans tha n being healthy and educated.....makes tons of sense.
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    Doesn't it tho? Of ALL the things govt shouldn't be involved in, healthcare isn't one of them. I'm all for companies making a profit but not at the expense of people's health and lives,I mean where do you draw the line? Too big to fail aka Too Big To Care about such basic things as promoting the health of the citizens it works for and is paid to serve. A general state of Bad Health is bad for all of us. Plus employers only give x number of sick days a year so people tend to come to work sick. I don't know about anyone else but I've gotten sick as a DOG thanks to someone at work coming in sick. It's disgusting-people come in coughing or complaining of some stomach thing; the next thing you know it goes right through the office. My college roommate had a job as a waitress part time; she went to work sick,serving people food and putting salads together etc, on more than one occasion. People come to work with fevers, I mean it's awful. I'd rather send someone home and pay them for the day than force them to come in sick and spread it around, be non-productive,etc.

    The thought of Frontline/PBS possibly being guilty of bowing to it's funders is sad, I hope they can solidly refute what he's saying. If PBS is corrupt then Ernie and Bert had an agenda too? Mr. Rogers?

    Seriously if this all proves out it would be very disappointing.

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