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  1. BradyFTW!

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    Hey everyone, just wanted to let you know that we've put together another PatsCast to preview the divisional round, and it can be found here. As always, thanks to Jay for providing great insight, and a fantastic list of things to watch for on Sunday. Hope you enjoy it!
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    Good to see you posting a bit more again.
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    Cool stuff. I'll take a listen.:)
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    Give this one a listen, man. I think you'll get a kick out of the 15 minutes I spend going off on how wrong I was about O'Brien. You were so right.
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    I'll give it a listen, but not because of that. I love your takes, even when we don't agree.
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    You're slacking! I had already listened to the whole thing before you posted here ;)

    Awesome stuff as usual. I swear I'd never get tired of listening to Jay talk about football :D
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    bump......
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    Cool-was wondering what happened to you guys, not so much time off next time, OK !!
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    Being snowed in is a great reason to listen to a podcast!
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    As is being stuck at work, so that pretty much covers all bases!
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    That was awesome listening! Thanks for posting! I'm going to go listen again. Beats listening to PFW guys screaming at eachother about boobs and feet....
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    Being at work is another great reason. I prefer to call it "multitasking." Giving it a listen now...
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    Definitely, just be sure that you don't lapse into full-on dogfaking.
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    This podcast is pretty tight. Pretty amazing how quickly BOB has gone from zero to hero... hopefully by keeping him under wraps to some extent the Patriots can keep some other team from filching him away.
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    Great job guys. I've missed these!!!
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    I'd be interested in hearing Jay's thoughts on Vollmer. I know in a previous podcast he had observed seeing Vollmer relying more on his (ridiculous) innate athleticism at the expense of his technique. I wonder if he's seen that diminish as the season has gone along.
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    Vollmer's been one of my favorites from the start. I think that early on, he (like any rookie) got by on athleticism. He had decent technique early on but wasn't a classic technician like Matt Light for example. There's a lot that goes into playing line at the NFL, and that transcends playing technique alone. If you saw that SoundFX on Belichick, you may remember him getting after Kaczur on "setting for the TE". It may have seemed like he meant tight end, but what he was talking about was the tackle-end stunt. The end crashes down the line and the tackle loops around. It also works in inverse. It takes good awareness to pop and pass the end, then set in your stance to pickup the tackle.

    I think that while his technique has gotten to where it needs to be at the pro level, his awareness is really where he has improved. He'll always win a one on one matchup because of the athlete he is. What gave him (relative for the exceptional player he is) the trouble was in picking up zone blitzes, stunts, and overloads. That's only natural for a young player. He's really gotten exceptional at this aspect of his game. He's probably the second best player on that line right now, and is a really unheralded part of that offense.
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    Awesome. Thanks for the write-up. Do you see them moving him to LT once Light is gone, or do you think they'll keep him at his current position?
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    Yeah, Vollmer's footwork and length are ideal for the left tackle. The interesting thing is that he also has the power and burst to play the right tackle. Unless they add a guy after Light who is exclusively a left tackle Vollmer will assume that spot.
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    Just wanted to give this a bump in case anyone wanted to listen to this as their day winds down or for their commute. I'll be online all afternoon and evening if anyone wants any questions, comments, or criticisms answered.
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    First: I think EVERYONE is eating crow on BoB.

    Secondly: In my limited level of analysis I had thought that Gronkowski might be the 'key' to the offense as well, in a different way than Moss though.

    Do you think that he helps to dictate coverage when he's on the field on passing downs?
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    First, thanks for listening man. I think that the unique thing that Gronk provides is disguising intent. His involvement in the run game mandates attention. When there is no pre-snap tell it forces a defense to be honest. The most obvious coverage dictator outside my two previous points is the body factor. It's really hard to get a press and pass against a 6'7 275lb mongloid unless you dedicate a d-lineman. That forces 34 defenses to get away from their primary principals and forces teams to get away from what they do best. Obviously, this is classic Belichick, as it forces removal from comfort. Further, he presents an incredible matchup problem. He's too strong for an OLB to press, and too big for a DB to matchup. What it creates is a declaration of intent that forces the defense to become predictable and to open up the routes outside the hashes. Was that helpful or was I rambling?
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    Thanks for the support man. I'm glad you listen, but there is clearly a lot I can learn from you.
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    Well put, that's a great analysis.
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    Thanks man. I have a tremendous level of respect for your posts. Curious as to your thoughts on my amateur hour analysis on the podcast.
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    Really enjoyed your podcast jay. Your among that elite group of "knowledgeable posters" on this site as far as I'm concerned. Your opinion is something i put plenty of stock in whether it's the draft forum etc.

    It's great for the avid fans that aren't all that technical to be able to come to a fan forum and discuss they're favorite team with people who really know their stuff and voice their concerns/opinions(even if they do differ at times).

    Whether it's jmt's media updates, your podcast, Miguel's salary page, Patchix's draft guru-ness or deus' banter. It makes patsfans.com the great resource it's become.

    Keep up the good work:eat3:
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    Wow. That is incredibly kind of you. I'm not the be all/end all of patsfan perspective but I try my best. There's a lot I still can learn. I just try to do my best to analyze what little I can. Thank you so much for the kind words, but there is still so much that I can learn.

    The truth is there are many posters on this site like Box, Mayo (I know you can see this!!), Patchick, Andy, Deus, Unoriginal (you've forgotten more than I'll ever know), Pat
    Psycho, and many others who are far more astute posters than myself. I'm lucky enough to work with a guy as brilliant as BradyFTW! and his partner. Without those guys, I couldn't contribute a thing. This is a great resource, and I take pride in what little I can contribute to it.
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    It's great and this is why: you two go into much deeper detail than what we'll ever find on espn, FoxSports, CBS Sports, etc., because of two very important factors:

    First, you're almost exclusively following just one team so your knowledge and understanding of the Pats is 100x greater than that of any national media member - despite the very deep pocketed resources those organizations have at their disposal.

    Second, they have to cater to the masses in order to maximize ratings. That means they can't get as heavy into X's and O's or else they'll lose the majority of their audience - casual fans who don't know and don't care to learn what a term like Wham means in football terminology.

    Bottom line is that your podcasts are 'like porn for Pats fans' - can't get enough of it. Deep insightful conversation about the Pats is rare and very much appreciated, especially by those like myself who live outside of New England.

    If you don't mind some constructive criticism I'd just suggest to try and limit the "uhh" and "umm"s. Don't be afraid of a second or two of dead air while you check your notes.

    Thank you very much for your time and effort; looking forward to future podcasts.
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    Before bed bump. I'll be online all day tomorrow.
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    Don't kick yourself too hard. A LOT of people here were wrong about O'Brien. :cool:

    On a side note, I can't believe I hadn't seen this thread yet. Sadly I'm at work right now and my computer doesn't have sound here. I'll give it a listen when I get home tomorrow morning.
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