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    QB – Pats – I don't really have to explain this one, but Sanchez' best moments have come against the Pats. That needs to stop, Sanchez is an average QB at best, one thing he has going for him is he is ****y and doesn't know any better.


    RB – Draw – I would rather have BJGE and Woodhead over an aging LT and an underachieving Greene who can't seem to hold onto the ball, but it's a close call. Ridley and Vereen could very well push the pats over the edge here, we'll just have to wait and see.


    WR & TE's – Pats – Holmes is clearly the best WR from either side, but the jets seem less formidable with Mason and Plax vs. Cotch and Braylon. Mason is still a crafty vet, but I don't expect much other then a nice redzone target from Plax. Keller is a good TE, but for whatever reason his production faded after a fast start. We'll have to wait to see how fast Ocho picks up the offense. Branch is a solid, dependable WR. Welker is still the best slot WR in the league, and we are all hoping to see Price shine this year. What really puts the Pats over the edge here is Gronk and Hernadez, they are a nightmare matchup for any team.


    Oline – Pats – The Jets have looked awful. I expect them to make a pickup or trade to improve their Oline, but it won't be enough to surpass what the Pats have done. Vollmer, Light, Solder, Mankins, & Koppen provide a solid group going foward, and were all routing for Cannon to be able to do some great things. Mangold is a stud at Center, Dbrick is a decent LT IMO, not a top 5 guy like most Jets fans think he is. Other then that, they might get Sanchez killed. (Not that it would be a huge loss)


    Front 7 – Pats – I'm not going to get into a 4-3 vs 3-4 is he a lb or a de? So the front 7 for the Pats looks to be as good this year as it's been in sometime. The 3 most talented guys on either side are Mayo, Wilfork and Haynesworth. Carter and or Anderson should give the pats some pressure from the edge. Meanwhile the Jets line is going to depend on a few rookies. Ellis could be deported possibly, assuming he's not, he's still a rookie and doesn't concern me at all for this year. Wilkerson I'm not sold on either, but we'll see, but as the theme with this thread, I'm not counting on any rookies to produce much. Harris is a good LB even though his production along with Bart Scott's has been down. Scott's skills IMO have slipped quite a bit over the last few years, but he still adds a lot with his leadership and knowledge of the system.


    DB – Jets - With Revis and Cromartie returning, you have to give the Jets the edge here. Whether you think Revis gets help from Safeties or not, he's one of the best. Cromartie is solid, but I don't think he will match up as well against Branch or Ocho on the outside as he did against Moss. I think Wilson, while somewhat dissapointing, could be a good cover guy in the slot. McCourty is as good as any rookie DB I've seen in a long time. Sometimes we all assume 2nd year players will only progress, hopefully thats the case with McCourty, but it may be hard to top that season. If Bodden is healthy, I think the Pats will be just fine in the secondary. I like the Pats Safeties better then the Jets, even though, Merrieweather is a bonehead. Chung played well last year and hopefully can build on that this year.


    Coaching – Pats – BB is the best coach I've ever seen, but Rex Ryan is a top 5 coach IMO. Going against most teams the Pats have a huge advantage when it comes to coaching, I think Rex neutralizes that somewhat with what he's been able to do.


    ST – Pats – I'll take the Ghost and Zoltan over whoever the Jets deciede is their punter and Folk. Jets take a big loss losing Brad Smith, I'm not sure Cromartie at his age is a viable option long term to return kicks, maybe Kerley is the guy? The Pats are probably going to be without Tate, but Vareen was very good in College, not sure they would want to risk McCourty out there. Hopefully Edelman makes the team (I think he will) and is our Punt Returner. Coverage teams all depends on who is going to make the 53 man roster. Both teams are well coached, but based on the Kickers, I'll take the Pats.



    IMO the pats are clearly the suprerior team heading into 2011. I think that was also the case last year, but the results would perhaps tell a different story. I know on any given Sunday any team can win, but this usually happens when a team sneaks up on you. There is no way the Jets can sneak up on the Pats, so if the Pats continue to lose, that tells me one thing...


    Rex Ryan is outcoaching BB. I know overall you can't compare Fat Rex to BB until he wins multilple rings, but when it comes to head to head matchups, it seems like Rex has gotten the best of this match-up. I think Rex is responisble for making that Defense as good as it is. He instills pride and an expectation for every defensive player to live up too, he also doesn't an excellent job with his schemes.


    Bottom Line is... I wanna see the Pats take Pride in their Defence again and not stand around and rely on Brady to pull it out time after time.


    And if the Pats don't lay the smackdown on the Jets 2x this year in the regular season and hopefully once in the post-season, I'm gonna be pissed. I wouldn't mind hearing Jets fans talk all their smack if their team was actually better then the Pats. To me, they are a joke compared to the Pats, but the bigger Joke unfortunatley is that the Pats can't seem to beat them, when they should.
     
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    I would rather we smack them down twice in the regular season, and then the Jets don't even make the playoffs. I can definitely see all of the above happening.
     
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    My guess is there is not one jet fan who would agree with that analysis...

    They consider the Jets better in every area....


    HOMERS
     
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    Welker is better than Holmes..still amazing how that dude dont get enough credit, even around here...and with Brady, Ocho will be better than Holmes as well.

    And from what I been hearing, Gronk is going to be better than everyone on the field.
     
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    They are 2 different types of receivers though. Holmes is better for a routine deep pass and red zone TDs and Welker has his abilities like short intermediate passes, nice routes and quick feet. They are both good receivers in the end.

    Gronk is just Gronk... beast!
     
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    Brady199, nice post.

    I don't agree with all of it, but it was written fairly an objectively for the most part.

    I could ni pic away at it but that would just show my homerism, so the only thing I would say is that I would call special teams a draw. I really like Westhoff and his ability to make pro bowlers out of so so players.

    Any one that thinks Welker is a better WR then Holmesi is fooling them selves, no disrespect to Welker, I just don't see him being a #1 WR on any team.
     
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    Wes is a chain mover...

    Holmes is the big play buster guy.....will grab the ball in a tight spot and get his feet in bounds...has bailed Snatchy out alot.....
     
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    Games are won on the field not on paper.

    I'd agree with a lot of the analysis here. There is an X factor here and its team mentality. the playoff loss last year will either galvanise or frighten the patriots.

    I'd love for NE to meet the Jets in the playoffs again and at least get a chance to settle the score.
     
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    The Jets back up OL looked awful Moore and Mangold didn't play and Turner got hurt.

    I agree with most of what you wrote, but this. Mankins and Volmer are better Hunter and Slausen obviously. Moore is underated and definitely better than Connelly. DBrick is a little overated but I'd take him over 34 year old Light and a rookie. Mangold is better than Koppen. If you included the Jets pathetic depth I'd call it a push.
     
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    This board's OBSESSION with the NYJ will never cease....

    until maybe the Patriots advance deeper into the playoffs and Brady outplays Sanchez in the playoffs....neither of those have happened since fatty took over the former Exit 16 Ws.....
     
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    Holmes, much like the jets is an overrated bum.
     
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    Well, you fellow Jets fans are more obsessed with the Patriots. I post on the Jets Insider board because there is more Patriots discussions and threads over there than this board. Any given day over there there are 2-5 active Patriots related threads over there.
     
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    I hate the position breakdown comparisons. I will say this, unlike last year you can argue that on paper the Pats are more talented than the Jets.
     
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    Ok....well this is objective.....whoa....so after reading this the Pats should dominate the Jets just like they have the past couple years....

    My opinion...btw a Jets fan but...objective, I least I think so...

    QB...Brady of course...

    RB...Jets have the better more talented stable of backs...Pats do a great job with avg talent guys due to system, Brady and a good OL...however they lean on Brady so much...the offense is based from the shotgun.

    WR...Close one...Holmes is the best of the bunch, Plax who knows...Mason will be solid, but if you are gonna lump TE's in as poster did...than as a Jets fan..Hernandez scares me to death....Chad "Johnson"...his other name is ridiculous...will be better w/ Brady..Welker is a nightmare matchup, others...ehhhh

    OL...Pats have a good OL...I think Jets are better...DBrick is not a decent T..cmon now...he handles stud pass rushers pretty easily...see Freeney, etc..and is very athletic. Pats are very solid however...pretty close

    Front 7...Wilfork a beast, although Mangold handles him, Haynesworth who knows..Pats better on the line...Jets have the better LBs..Mayo is very good but so is Harris...Spikes, Scott...ehhh

    DBs...Jets...pretty easy one here...due to Revis..and Cro...I'm not a huge fan of Cro...but he can D up one on one..I love McCourty..but if he even approaches Revis that would be great for Pats fans. Safeties...both teams dont impress me.

    Coaching....BB is the best no doubt....however...and sometimes I hate Rex's big mouth but gotta admit he can motivate, and draw up any D with the best of them.
     
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    After the way the Patriots lost at home last season in the playoffs, they will probably take it out on the Jets this season. Normally, I think Belichick sticks to his formula of 'Humble Pie' and the 'Patriot Way', but these games have marked as must wins. This year I think the Pats will lay the smack down on the Jets. I expect the Patriots to try and run the score up if possible.
     
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    Jets OL 2011 < Jets OL 2010
    Pats DL 2011 > Pats DL 2010

    'nuff said.
     
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    Ah, remember the Titans?
    Anyhow bro, I'll confine my retort to your most egregious offense, the OL. No way the Jets OL is anywhere as good as the Pats OL. Only at center are the Jets better. Wash at RG and at OT the Pats are far better.
    And going against what I just said the Jets only have one NFL caliber player at safety, while the Pats have 3.
     
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    Welker doesn't get enough credit? even around here? R U serious? behind Brady he is probably one of the most poular Patriots in the last 4 years. I said he was the best slot WR in the game. If you really think Wes is better, then I guess we'll be seeing him rake in about 10 Mill a season like Holmes did.

    You have to remember Welker has had Brady all these years and Holmes was stuck with Sanchez last year. Also Wes relies so much on his quickness in and out of cuts, not sure how many years he has left being an explosive slot guy.
     
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    I Hear ya...matter of opinion I guess...Id take Brick you take Light I guess...do know that the Jets have been a great run team last couple years will run it even if the other team knows it...dont know bout Pats with run game due to offensive system..they did have some success last year but their short pass game are basically run plays as well.

    Pass protection Pats are obviously good cuz they do it so much...
     
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    Do not forget the ORT position. Herr Vollmer for the Pats.
     
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