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    Offensive Line

    Most of the time, the O-line saw rushes from between 2 to 4 people, and real blitzes were the exception, not the rule. All in all they did a decent job of keeping Brady protected during the game.

    The Pats were most often in a 3 WR/ 1 TE / 1 RB set (Reiss said 60 out of 69 snaps), and on the majority of those the RB and TE ran pass patterns.

    Keep in mind that Hochstein came in for Neal midway through the 3rd quarter, and that a few of the plays I assigned (dis)credits for never actually happened. One of Light's sacks, for example, came on a play where his man had jumped offsides:
    Code:
    Name		Sack	Knockdown	Pressure	Holding		False
    [B]Light	[/B]	2	1		0		0		0
    [B]Mankins[/B]		1	1		1		1		0
    [B]Koppen[/B]		0	0		0		1		0
    [B]Neal	[/B]	0	0		0		0		0
    [B]Kaczur[/B]		0	1		3		0		0
    [B]Hochstein[/B]	0	0		1		0		1
    [B]Watson[/B]		0	0		1		0		0
    [B]Maroney[/B]		0	0		1		0		0
    ESPN was kind enough to do the numbers for me on this one:

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    This is of course the overload blitz that gets Brady at 1:12 in the first quarter. Note that not only are there 5 rushers on the right side of the offensive line, there are no rushers on the left side. If a running back had been in the backfield, there's no way the Ravens would still be in this call.

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    As you can see, one of the keys of this play, apart from the overload, is that the linebacker, Stills, and the lineman, Ngata, run a stunt inside, effectively holding Kaczur in place.

    Ideally, what should happen is that the entire line should slide and swing like a gate into the Baltimore rush. Because of the stunt across his face, Kaczur doesn't get out to Ivy and the rest of the offensive line stacks up behind him in a white cluster****.

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    This is the play at the start of the 2nd quarter where Mankins gets a holding call on Ngata and Brady hoisted up that duck that Gaffney dropped. The play was designed as a sprint out right, trying to move the line directly into one of those lethal Raven edge rushers, and directly away from the other.

    The first problem with this play is that Ngata is lined up as a backside 1 tech. Since Light needs to stay behind to deal with the edge rusher, that effectively leaves Mankins alone in a good position to angle block the nose guard, and he has some wide pass splits to overcome.

    The second problem is that Ben Watson does not get outside of Suggs and sandwich him with Kaczur, instead he stops and then loses his block.

    Brady, instead of rolling right, backpedals about 15 yards and throws off his back foot.

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    It looks even worse from a sideline shot.
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    Offensive Line, cont

    The below occured at 13:36 in the 4th quarter. Normally you'd expect a big fat defensive tackle like Ngata to need a breather by this time, especially one that's been pass rushing all night.

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    Not so. As you can see, Ngata takes Mankins and drives him 7 yards into Tom Brady's lap.

    Here's the whole game chart for the offensive line:

    Code:
    Time	Play	Patriots			Ravens		Notes
    15:00	1-10	
    14:19	2-5	
    12:57	2-9	
    12:02	1-5	[COLOR="Red"]Light: sack[/COLOR] 			Suggs		(No play, Offsides)
    11:23	1-1	
    10:37	3-3	Coverage pressure
    
    07:10	1-10
    06:18	3-8	
    
    01:12	1-10	Sack				Ivy		overload right
    15:00	3-11	[COLOR="Red"]Mankins: holding, pressure[/COLOR]	Ngata
    		[COLOR="Orange"]Watson: pressure[/COLOR]		Suggs
    
    08:11	2-3	
    07:50	1-10
    06:54	1-10	
    06:47	2-10	
    06:12	3-4	
    06:08	1-10	
    05:32	2-4	Knockdown			Ivy		overload wide left
    05:29	1-1	
    
    03:16	2-5	
    03:11	3-5	
    
    01:04	1-10	
    00:56	2-10	
    
    09:22	2-8	Coverage pressure
    06:28	1-10	
    04:41	2-7	
    04:29	3-1	[COLOR="Orange"]Maroney: pressure[/COLOR]
    
    13:36	2-6	[COLOR="Red"]Mankins: sack	[/COLOR]		Ngata
    13:06	3-12	[COLOR="Red"]Light: sack[/COLOR]			Barnes
    
    10:22	1-10							(No play, OPI)
    10:18	1-20	
    08:56	2-6	
    08:51	3-6	[COLOR="Orange"]Hochstein/Kaczur: pressure[/COLOR]	Barnes
    
    07:09	1-10	[COLOR="Orange"]Kaczur: pressure[/COLOR]		Suggs
    05:42	2-14	Coverage pressure
    05:33	3-14	Coverage pressure
    
    03:30	1-10	[COLOR="Orange"]Kaczur: pressure[/COLOR]		Barnes
    03:25	2-10	
    02:51	1-10	
    02:47	2-10	Coverage pressure		Stills
    02:01	1-10	
    01:57	2-10	[COLOR="DarkOrange"]Kaczur: knockdown	[/COLOR]	Barnes
    		[COLOR="DarkOrange"]Mankins/Light: knockdown[/COLOR]	Ngata
    01:53	3-10	
    01:48	4-6	
    01:06	2-5	
    01:00	3-5	Coverage knockdown				blitz left
    00:55	4-5	Coverage pressure
    00:55	1-8	
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  3. 5 Rings for Brady!!

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    Good stuff. Thanks for taking the time to post something intelligent. We don't get much of that around here.
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    Re: Offensive Line, cont

    Nice X's and O's, unoriginal. I would imagine that was duly noted in the meetings!
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    The Run Defense

    To start off with generalities, here are the things that were wrong most of the night on defense. These shots were all taken from the same play:

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    If you can't read the text, that's "Sticky Blocking," "Improper Technique," and "Poor Tackling."

    The Pats, as Reiss and other commentators have mentioned, began the game in a 4-3 front and promptly began sucking at stopping McGahee. What should also be noted is that the 3-4 was similarily ineffective during the first three quarters. Most plays looked like this:

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    Patriots players, ostensibly playing a 2-gap technique, are running into a stout Baltimore line and then staying there, unwilling to shoot gaps but unable to push that humongous O-line around. The outcome is that 7 Pats file into an orderly line at about the line of scrimmage, and then a Baltimore running back either runs downhill through them, or runs around them.

    Defensive lineman and linebackers made a lot of tackles downfield in pursuit.

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    Wilfork evidently got frustrated early on about the Pats inability to outmuscle Baltimore, so here he shoots his gap in an effort to disrupt another slow-developing running play. You can see the beginning of his swim move in that first screen shot.

    The outcome is yet another example of why the other 10 people need you to do what the scheme asks you to.

    Still, Wilfork had what I think was the right basic idea.

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    This play is in the 4th quarter, only a drive after the 3-4 play two screenshots above. It is out of a 4-3 front, which is supposedly the cause of all our run-stopping problems, and that may be true when we 2-gap.

    But here everyone, not just Wilfork, 1-gaps the play. Multiple people are already in the backfield by the time Boller gets the ball to the deep-set back, who then has to thread his way towards the line of scrimmage. The Baltimore o-line can't space block near as well as they drive block, and the play falls apart for a loss.

    This play reminds me of the Colts-Ravens playoff game I watched last year.
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    Run Blitzing in 3-4

    Of course, the Pats neither can nor want to run the 4-3 full time. In fact, they ran the 3-4 the majority of the 4th quarter, when they really turned the run defense around, right when you'd expect them to tire out.

    The Patriots took a page out of Wade Phillips' book, and started run blitzing linebackers and safeties to disrupt the backfield.

    Here Seau and Harrison blitz strongside, while Bruschi scrapes along backside with Adalius Thomas watching for cutbacks. Seau takes out the pulling backside guard, and Harrison obviously gets through to McGahee:

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    For the entire 4th quarter, Baltimore was finally getting into regular 3rd and longs because the run stopped automatically gaining 4 yards on every play.

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    Here's a blooper to end things. Chris Hanson is the new Tebucky Jones.
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    Imageshack is being a *****, sorry for that.
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    [​IMG]

    Here's that Hanson one again. Luckily this return was called back for holding.

    On a related note, Gostkowski made a tackle on a kickoff in this very same game.

    EDIT: If a mod reads this post, could you just fix this image link in the 6th post and delete this one? It is kind of messy.
    Last edited: Dec 13, 2007
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    Awesome. A joy to read. All your posts should be stickys.
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    #91 Jersey

    Great stuff. If you don't mind me asking, where do you get your screen shots?
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    I download torrents of the game and pause the game when I want a screenshot.
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    A great read. Although I am not a highly technical X's and O's kind of guy, this was about as clear and concise as it could get.
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    Great work, thanks for the effort.
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