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  1. Danish PATS Fan

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    I was watching the Pats - Bills game on danish television, and when we were as far as i recall ahead 35 - 10 and 49 - 10. Belichick decided to go on a 4 and 1, and then the danish commentators believed that it was unsportly, when we were so far ahead. It was not necessary to grind the Bills so much down in the ground, and we could have taken a 3 and out the 2 times and had gone for a fieldgoal. In this to cases I will say that I agree with the commentators, it really was not necessary and we just could have taken the 3 fieldgoal points. But thats just my oppinion and the commentators :rolleyes:
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    Re: Pats unsportly against Bills ?

    Thanks for sharing
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    Re: Pats unsportly against Bills ?

    Are you saying "run it up" 3 more points with a FG, or give the opposition a chance to stop you (with no points) on a 4th-down conversation play which is about a 50/50 proposition play.

    No offense to Danish commentators, but they don't know what they are talking about. :cool:
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    Re: Pats unsportly against Bills ?

    4th and 1 isn't a sure thing. If they stop then they get the ball back. Kicking a 3 point field goal is adding another 3 points onto a lopsided score. So, using your logic, that's unsportsmanlike.

    At least with a 4th and 1 you run the ball and if you make it you probably will run much more..that takes time off the clock so the game ends sooner.
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    Re: Pats unsportly against Bills ?


    Nej, det var ikke "unsportsmanlike" og Jens Knudsen er en Bills fan.
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    Re: Pats unsportly against Bills ?

    Here's the answer for all of the complaints...forfeit!

    plain and simple

    Forfeit and save your dignity if you don't want to play against the first team.
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    Re: Pats unsportly against Bills ?

    They didn't exactly run the ball on those 4th and 1s...

    I don't realy regard that as running it up, though, I just think BB treated the game as a 0-0 match up until we were ahead 56-10 and the starters were out. Make no mistake, we could've scored 80 if we wanted to run it up.
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    Re: Pats unsportly against Bills ?

    he he the commentators from the states properly knows a bit more, when they talk about football then the danish. Madden should know he he with so many years as a player, coach and commentator. And it is the first year that they show NFL on that channel in Denmark. But they still call them NFL experts !!! :D :cool:
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    Re: Pats unsportly against Bills ?

    he he muligvis at han er Bills fan, godt at se en dansker her på forummet :singing: Mener dog stadig, at vi kunne havde taget fieldgoal pointne i stedet for at fuldstændig smadre Bills og gøre det endnu mere pinligt for dem. Men okey, nu ved jeg at Belichick viser "no mercy" fra nu af !
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    Re: Pats unsportly against Bills ?

    Pats are in a no win situation in that scenario as Parcells said. Someone will be complaining. Christ, we had an undrafter Naval academy rookie grinding it out for good yards vs the bills. I wont even listen to these dumb thoughts anymore. BB had a lot of praise for D Jauron and was not doing anything to intentionally embarrass them...
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    Re: Pats unsportly against Bills ?

    That's not true. I only did it once. I was young and wanted to experiment.
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    Re: Pats unsportly against Bills ?

    Don't feel too bad, Danish. The majority of the NFL "experts" here aren't any better.

    Are danishes called danishes in Denmark? :)
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    Re: Pats unsportly against Bills ?

    he he no they are called a dane or danes !!! :)
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    Re: Pats unsportly against Bills ?

    No, I'm not talking about the people. I'm talking about the delicious pastries by the same name here. :)

    Like, I don't think Chinese food is called Chinese food in China. ;)
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    Re: Pats unsportly against Bills ?

    I think he is talking about danish pastry, which in Denmark is called "wienerbrød" and in English means "Vienna bread".


    PS, DanishPatsfan, I am an American living in Denmark(I am not a Dane)
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    Re: Pats unsportly against Bills ?

    I do know that JFK told the Germans that he was a jelly doughnut in 1962.
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    Re: Pats unsportly against Bills ?

    That's it! Thanks, Copen.
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    Re: Pats unsportly against Bills ?

    At least the Bills had a chance to STOP the run/pass plays. They didn't and that is not Belichek's concern. Like Madden said it is not the job of the offense to stop themselves it is up to the DEFENSE. I am sick of this bs about scoring and how, that is what an offense is supposed to do.
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    Re: Pats unsportly against Bills ?

    That's awesome. Danish women are gorgeous (which I'm sure played a role in your decision to learn danish), and then of course you have to love any country that could give us King Diamond.
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    Re: Pats unsportly against Bills ?



    BTW, watch the games next time on the Swedish Viasat Sport 1,2 or 3, they show it with the American announcers, Madden and Michaels, and they did a great job of explaining why it was not running up the score.
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    Re: Pats unsportly against Bills ?

    Both plays were very close the goal line. It's the right play there -- you give the guy a chance to stop you and if he does he's far from the end zone where he hopes to score.

    You'll note that at the end of the game, with 4th and inches on the Bills' 30, Belichick chose to punt. Imagine that, a PUNT from the 30 yard line with no weather to speak of. Not a field goal. Not going for it. But I guess nobody mentions the "sport" moves because it's not good copy. You'll notice that once the Bills got the ball back, they sure as heck didn't take a knee. They tried to score. And one of the Patriots players got hurt on the last play. What's good for the goose . . .

    One of these days in that situation, Belichick is going to have the team take a knee. Then all we'll hear is how unsporty that is.

    By the way, the first supposedly "unsporty" play happened on the first possession of the THIRD QUARTER. I respectfully submit there is no such thing as running up the score on the first possession of the third quarter. If that's "unsporty," then forfeit the game if you're the opponent. Don't even play it if you demand the opponent throttle back with 25 minutes left in the game.
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    Re: Pats unsportly against Bills ?

    Nice to see more Danes here :) --- velkommen.

    The announcers on 3+ are terrible but this is their first season so I guess we will have to give them some time. I agree with most here that kicking a FG would have been rubing it in more. Going for it on 4. down gives the ooponent a chance to stop you, but I guess the Danish announcers and many fans over here dont realize that.

    BTW they often do a rerun of the SNF game (the American broadcast with Michaels/Madden but without the commercial breaks so it only last 90 minutes or so) on TV2 Sport on Mondays just before the MNF game. Looks like they will have a rerun of Dallas/Detroit tonight though - I guess they thought the Pats game was too boring.
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    Re: Pats unsportly against Bills ?

    At this point the sportly thing to do is call the game off so everybody can get a good night's sleep.
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    LOL he he i thought you meant the danish people living in Denmark :D
    Yeah in that case Copenhagenpatsfan is right it's called Wienerbrød ! :cool:
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    Re: Pats unsportly against Bills ?

    By the way, the score couldn't have been 49-10 when they went for it on 4th and 1, because the last TD was Ellis Hobbs' INT.

    I think the second time the Patriots went for it on 4th down, that was the right decision. But the first time, they were only up 35-10 and there were 11 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. You only have a 3 score lead + FG. Right there, you can argue that a FG would make more sense with so much time left and the game still in question. Unless of course, you feel a TD salts the game away for good.

    I'm just arguing that even with a 35-10 lead and 24 minutes to play, the game is NOT determined.
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    Re: Pats unsportly against Bills ?

    Actually, many football fans think that originally. If they would be able to get past the thought that the patriots beat them with a high score, then perhaps they would see that they in fact had a better chance in stopping them on a 4th down then blocking a field goal. How often does a blocked or goofed up Field goal happen? If in a normal distance, then getting a field goal
    would be more difficult to stop then trying on 4th down.

    If the team winning is bringing in the backups and still makes Touchdowns and gain yards, then perhaps the practice that the opposing defense gets will teach them something. They should be watching the tapes and figuring out how the Patriots did it rather then blame them to be honest.

    This is Football.... if you are not one of elite, then you should be learning from them to improve yourselves next time...
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    Re: Pats unsportly against Bills ?

    Actually the commentators and yourself are just unfamiliar with Belichick's thinking. Belichick in general does not like taking field goals unless he has to.

    Here is the rationale for going for it on 4th and 1 close to the enemy's goal:
    1. If you don't convert the 4th down, you give your opponents a long field to march before they can score. This is key to FIELD POSITION.
    2. Even if you make the FG +3 and your opponents then score a TD +7 the net is -4 points.
    3. If you score a touchdown that is 2X better than a field goal. 7 vs 3. That is simply mathematics.

    4. If you kick the FG and MISS, you give your opponents excellent field position, allowing them to possibly score a touchdown against you. Net of -7 points.
    5. If the FG is blocked, there is also a chance the blocked kick can be returned for a TD. Net of -7 points.
    6. Once your lead increases to a certain point, field goals become almost meaningless and therefore not worth kicking. So why not go for it on 4th down?
    7. Psychologically, Touchdowns are more demoralizing to a defending team. If you beat your opponent psychologically, there is much less chance for them to come back, thus increasing your chances of winning the game.

    8. Finally, this serves as a notice of warning to the league. The Patriots will play 100% to the best of their capacity until they see that the game is finished. Many teams now will look to playing against the Patriots with FEAR, giving them a psychological edge. When teams start thinking that just not getting embarassed is a moral victory, they are not focusing on the goal of defeating the Patriots.
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    Re: Pats unsportly against Bills ?

    Yeah you got a point, but at that time of the game if the Bills got it from a missed or a blocked FG...that could not be that bad could it ?
    Pats were in front with 25 and 32 points in the 2 situations...so given Bills the ball by missing the FG would not have changed much on the scoreboard.
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    Re: Pats unsportly against Bills ?

    I saw abbreviated NFL coverage while I was in Denmark. The games weren't live. They were pre-recorded. The commentators would show a bit of the game then talk about it. It was in Danish so I didn't understand a word of it. It was on late at night and I always fell asleep.

    Danish is a very difficult language. They have 182 vowels. I was staying in a city called Odense. It looks like O-Dens but it unpronouncable in their language. I was on the island of Fyn which is a nice little short name, but again unpronouncable. It sounds something like the sound Frankenstein makes when the flaming torch is thrust into his face. But there were thousands of pretty blondes riding their bicycles everywhere. I can't wait to go back someday. It's very nice.
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    Hmmm the channels TV2 sport and 3+ is showing live football. From 19.00 on TV2 sport danish time and then 3+ is showing live from 22.00 and also the late game 2.00, so that was maybe highlights you saw :rolleyes: Plus TV2 sport is also showing monday night matches live, and Thanksgiving on this coming thursday all 3 matches live. Yeah danish is on of the most difficult langueges in the world apart from chinese, and Odense is the 3 largest city in Denmark after Aarhus and the capital Copenhagen. It's nice in Denmark yeah....and so are some of the girls ;)
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