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    I think with the release of Evans it leaves a opening at FB that will probably be replaced on short yardage/goalline situations with both Hochstein and Seymour alternating on offense in those situations.

    As long as we have a TE like Baker who has been known to be a good blocker,do we really need a FB in FA or in the draft in other situations?

    I think the team does not have to address the FB position as long as some of the guys here can do what they've done before.
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    This is exactly how Seymour got hurt about 3-4 years ago, playing fullback. He hasn't been the same since.
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    Seymour's original injury was the result of Mawae diving over Vrabel and into the back of Sey's left knee. The FB injury was much more of a freak thing, "friendly fire", if you will, much like Rodney's hyperextending his elbow. Whatever compromising of Sey's play has happened, it dates back to the Mawae incident.

    To answer the question, I don't think we'll go for a FB, but use Hochstein in more plays and go to more 2 back sets, possibly incorporating BJGE more.
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    Funny how time flies, but that was almost 5 years ago.
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    He hasnt stopped whining since.
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    I understand that in order to improve the quality of threads, that now in order to start a thread, a poster needs to have a minimum number of posts to his/her credit.

    The threads you start week in and week out show that the above solution is horribly indequate to address the problem of poor quality threads.

    I don't want to be mean, but do you deliberately TRY to be off the mark? Is this some kind of long running gag left over from the bsamson days?
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    he's been whining?
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    Hey, space, I was just watching America's Game tonight. Saw Patrick Pass running for a touchdown. Then I saw this thread. :D
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    If he is purposely starting threads "off the mark," it's a good strategy for starting discussion.
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    Hoch owned it up last year. The hard part is when he is in the game the D can just stack the box. If no FB is signed I would like to see some 2 or more RB sets. Brady kills in the short game. Imagine giving him 4 potential options to choose from.
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    Lorenzo Neal!
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    Three things to address your complaint ....

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    Thats all boy,Have a nice evening
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    This team has CONSISTENTLY run better behind a FB, particularly Morris. I don't know enough about Taylor's style to speak there. I'd rather have a true FB on the roster. Given the presence of Evans and Marc Edwards before him, I imagine BB feels the same way.
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    That was a long time ago. But since then I've repeatedly heard that he hurt his knee playing fullback.
    I think Seymour or his agent has told bb he won't do it again.
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    lol

    NO COMMENT...

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    Should I be...
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    That noob was getting under my skin...
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    In defense of the original poster, there are at least two other worse offenders that quickly come to mind that would improve this site if they read more and posted less - far less - but rather than hijack this thread, here are the available free agent fullbacks:

    Justin Griffith (Raiders)
    Mike Karney (Saints)
    Lorenzo Neal (Ravens)
    Richard Owens (Rams)
    Cecil Sapp (Texans)
    Terrelle Smith (Cardinals)
    Leonard Weaver (Seahawks)
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    Sammy Moorris has played fullback and might need to if he wants time with maroney and Taylor.

    Also, could Baker hit the wham play like Graham used to? Those might answer the question, with Hoch on short yardage.

    They just don't use FB enough to justify the roster spot IMO.
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    In his brief pre-injury career at FB, Seymour had more than one false start penalty.

    It was not a good positional fit for him.
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    Fencer...always with the thrust and parry

    It amazes me...I can rip and tear almost any opposing player the Pats have ever faced, being the over the top homer I am...I CANNOT see any downside to the Fred Taylor signing..injury history notwithstanding, he's Fred Freaking Taylor...I'm still stunned we signed a RB of his caliber. Maroney can only benefit playing alongside a vet of his experience
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    Agreed that Taylor is an extremely appealing signing.

    As for the rest, I'm not aware of a single player on the Pats who is utterly without weakness or flaw. In particular -- and for fairly obvious reasons -- there's almost nobody who plays with all of top-end foot speed, top-end quickness, and top-end strength. Closest to flawless may be Seymour, Wilfork, Moss, and Thomas, but Seymour and Thomas have each had versatility issues at times -- Thomas wasn't all that much as an ILB, to most people's surprise including mine -- Wilfork has the usual NT issues with three-down stamina, and Moss's blocking -- even if it's increasingly effective -- isn't exactly blowing up very many defenders.
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    You see..this is where the T.O. question looms large..and as I've said, I can't stand the SOB...BUT...short term, with the Bowl as the objective, I cannot see the downside. Only one team gives T.O. the immediate quick fix to rehabilitate his image. He says over and over he's a team player..yet he's a a PR pariah right now...what better quick fix is there out there? He takes 82 in deference to Moss...they all blah blah blah the media hype...AND, as far as starpower and what he doesn't have, there's only two other QB's in the league that can approach Tommy Boy...it's like I said in another thread...T.O. drops a ball, Brady is coming right back to him the next play. Single team Moss and T.O. gets to tell the media "man, you can't do that!!", making him even more of cog, because, as all defenses do, you double Moss, you leave the damndest WR in the open field one on one, one thing Owens has ALWAYS shown to be a major mismatch...AND to further rehabiltate his image, this isn't Romo and Whitten screwing him with the racist undertones...this is Wes freaking Welker benefiting from those crushing T.O. downfield blocks turning the short underneath routes into big gainers...add the underachieving Watson who you KNOW T.O. is gonna be all over because he needs some kind of whipping boy and what you have, for at least a season, is an offense of historical potential.

    Don't think for a minute that BB wouldn't take a chance if it means winning it all...and don't think for aminute that T.o>, for asll hsi baggage, doesn't want that ring to cement his legacy..and a future on the NFL network or ESPN.Owens, for all his warts, IS box office..and his best chance to stay the center of attention is that ring and the rehab of his image that winning ALWAYS brings.

    yeah...OK..maybe I'm pipe dreaming...but if it happened I'd sit abck and watch..the entertainment value is undeniable.
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    There were several articles where he whined out being used at fb and how he got injured that way. I just cant stand him since his big contract signing and little production ala jason varitek
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    The fullback position is DEAD for the Pats. They need a powerback with versatility, not a fullback. This powerback should be able to run in short yardage situations, catch, pass protect, and block. This powerback might resemble an H-back. I believe that the traditional 'fullback' is dead as far as the Pats offense is concerned. Too limited a role for too few snaps to be worth keeping a roster spot.
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    Seymour had arguably his best season last year.

    You're completely exaggerating this "whining".
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    Sounds like the Patrick Pass role. I could see Sammy playing that in-between his writing gigs.
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    I'd be happier if he hadn't botched his block on the play that wrecked Brady's knee.
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    Well, if BB decided it was best for the team, I suppose I'd reluctantly go along.

    But if the pats won it all, I'd feel a little dirty.
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    I don't know why they've never tried Wilfork. I'm actually not in favor because of injury possibilities, but who's going to step in front of that train at the goal line.

    Also, big Vince as the press cornerback. Make you want to just go home if you're a receiver.:D
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    Yeah, I think most of us would be.
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