No - it was as he was walking to the sidelines after the Aiken drop, it wasn't after the Galloway throw. It was after both drops. I'm not sure if it changes your point, but I'm 100% positive it wasn't directly after the first drop.
It doesn't change my point in the slightest. Brady could have found better ways to go about "correcting" Galloway and/or Aiken. I mentioned earlier in the thread that it would have been just as easy to pull Galloway or both Galloway and Aiken to the side and have a talk with them man-to-man. He's done so with Moss as well as every other receiver he's worked with since he's been in the league.
I didn't say it made Brady a great leader - I said Bird is considered a great leader for getting into it with his teammates when he had to.
Look, I have no problem with Brady getting into it with his teammates. The fact of the matter is that he's gotten into it with his teammates in better handled ways before. Throwing a temper tantrum on the sidelines in front of national television cameras was not completely necessary. Now, if Brady was lighting it up to that point, I would be inclined to grant him a little slack. However, the fact of the matter is that, up to that point, Brady was not playing well in the slightest. Even against the Falcons defense he was struggling. You don't go and scream at your receivers in front of national television when you aren't exactly being a stellar leader on the field yourself.
A key difference here is neither Galloway or Aiken said a damn word when Brady went off b/c they knew they'd F'd up and probably knew the outburst was justified. Saturday went right back at Manning, which suggests something else.
These two cannot be compared. Galloway was the new guy on the team and Aiken is a career special teamer. Brady is the MAN in Foxboro. It's really of no suprise that the new guy and the guy who shouldn't have been playing a receiver in the first place didn't respond to #12. Saturday is a different matter. He's been Manning's center since 1999 and is, in fact, Manning's best friend. Him yelling back at Manning is absolutely something I would expect. Donald Brown, for example, yelling back at Manning most likely would not have happened last year. If Brady went after Matt Light, for example, the way Manning went after Saturday, I would fully expect Light to give it right back to him. Galloway wasn't in that position with Brady, being that he was only playing in his third game with the team.
The thing with Peyton is you have to consider the entire package. Everything we know about Peyton points to him being not exactly the ideal teammate. He's never been that guy, and he's never been a great leader. His teammates don't go out of his way to talk about what a great teammate they do, like Patriot players do Brady. Manning isn't good in the clutch, he's constantly getting in these verbal disputes, and he uses his press conferences as a means to blame his teammates for his shortcomings. He's always had that reputation follow him around.
I'm fully aware that Manning isn't an ideal teammate. And, again, the press conferences have nothing to do with this. It is a fact that Manning has been sharply criticized here for doing the same thing Brady did on the field.
With Brady, it's the exact opposite, and this was one of the few times he went off on a player - so I'm willing to take his sideline outburst within its context.
Which is why I said earlier in the thread that this was pretty much the only "unclassy" thing he's ever done. Still, the fact that Brady is good in the clutch and doesn't throw anybody under the bus to the press does not change the fact that this was a classless act in the heat of the moment. Again, there are better ways that Brady could have handled his anger toward his receivers.
You can't just look at one interaction, it's short-sighted, and just downright silly. It doesn't have to be black and white. One action (yelling at a teammate) can have many different interpretations. When a guy has proven to be a less-than-stellar teammate his entire career (Manning) it means one thing. When a guy has all the intangibles you want in a player, it means another.
Sure I can. The original point was this was the least classy thing that Brady has ever done. I have absolutely every right in the world to look at one instance and judge it as a fan. There are no rules preventing me from doing otherwise. I'm sorry it pains you to see someone consider this a classless act, but unfortunately this is a message board and stating one's opinion is something that this forum revolves around. It would be pretty boring if we all just agreed that everything is completely awesome and that we have the classiest team in the league. But maybe that's just me.
Stop trying to trap people into a battle of semantics.
Pot meet kettle. Please show me proof where I've tried to trap anybody in a battle of semantics in this thread. I've stuck to my original point like glue. It's you and others who keep bringing up the Manning press conferences, which have absolutely nothing to do with my original point that Brady's actions in the Falcons game were not at all classy.
There is room for interpretation of these things, and I know you know that -just as there is a gray area in the Stallworth argument - for instance - that I know you feel strongly about, there is in this example, too.
For one, bringing Stallworth into this is a red herring of epic proportions. For another, yes there is room for interpretation. For example, it was speculated upon earlier in this thread that Brady was perhaps upset at his own play. This is a pretty solid guess/interpretation on the matter. But there aren't too many ways that you can interpret this otherwise. It's either that, or Brady was upset with his receivers (Galloway especially) and chose not to hide his frustration. Or perhaps it's a synthesis of both? Either way, Brady's actions still have not been excused by anybody in this thread.
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