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  1. Seneschal2

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    Well, further interest in Cason, and new interest in Jack Williams. Previously, Cason was listed as having a Combine interview and private visit. Now it's reported that he has also had a private workout:

    http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

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    Don't know how we missed this (dated 3/16), but here's the original source for Cason's workout:

    http://www.kffl.com/player/16706/nfl/news

    Side note: Cason is far and away ahead of the 14 CB prospects the Pats have reportedly shown interest in. He was interviewed at the Combine, worked out, and is scheduled to visit. Of course, the pre-draft workouts and visits continue, and more CBs may join him.

    As most know, he's my favorite CB among the top ranked. Not sure if this is a good or bad thing for so much interest to be expressed. Either way, he's the one player I'm hoping for in the trade down.
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    I'll tell ya, the choice between taking DRC in the first round or taking Jack Williams in the fourth is really no choice at all. Opposite ends of the value spectrum right now.
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    What does this mean?
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    That we have two cornerback prospects who played in lesser conferences. Based on height and last name (and supposedly the Scouting Combine), one has been discussed as being worthy of the #7 overall pick. The other one, whose performance at the Combine was better almost across the board, can probably be had in the fourth round. Which is the better value?

    Domininque Rodgers-Cromartie Tennessee St 6-2 184 4.33 (1.49, 2.51) Bench 17 Vert 38.5 Long 11.06 Broad 10 11 Short 4.14 3Cone 6.63

    Jack Williams Kent St 5-9 177 4.32 (1.47, 2.53) Vert 41 Bench 18 Broad 10 6 Short 4.21 3C 6.61
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    I really like Antoine Cason a whole lot. His has gone a bit under the radar in most mock drafts. He could very easily be the best corner in this draft. If the Patriots could walkout of day one with Vernon Gholston and Antoine Cason, I think that would be the best scenrio possible.
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    Assuming you mean Williams is the better value -- I agree. Not only is he a really good 'football player', the Pats DC Dean Pees, recruited him at Kent St.

    Prior to joining the Patriots in '04, Pees spent six seasons as the head coach at Kent State ('98-'03). Williams' freshman year was '03; he was redshirted...and was named Outstanding Defensive Scout by the coaching staff. I would think -- Pees remembers. :) Imagine recruited a player on the college level, then plugging him into your defense on the NFL level -- must be quite a thrill as a 35-year coaching veteran (goosebumps).

    And for those concerned by Williams lack of height (5' 9"), he was just timed at 4.32 and 4.33 at his Pro Day. Wouldn't mind that speed in the Pats sub-packages.

    Even if we draft a CB early, I'd still strongly consider guys like Williams and Wheatley later on in the draft. Knowing Belichick -- he can't have enough CBs.
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    If neither can play, neither have value.... DRC is the classic late riser prospect, I honestly think he is a risky proposition. Lets just say four corners get taken in the 1st, more than likely only 2 of them will be good pros, one of those two a pro bowl type player. Of those four names the one that scares me most is DRC. Would I value wasting the fourth round pick over the first round pick, hell yeah! This years crop of CB's is loaded which a nice way of saying no one player has distinguished themselves.
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    There's a big difference between drafting a fast, short, nickelback and drafting a #1 corner type talent. That's why Williams will be available in the 4th round instead of the 1st. I know a lot of guys here harbor an anti-DRC sentiment, but it's ridiculous to keep bringing up these 4th rounders to try to knock him down. I don't see any of that venom directed towards guys like McKelvin, Jenkins, Talib, Cason, Flowers, etc. who all also rate 1st round grades. So why all the hate for DRC?

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    That 41 inch vert by Williams is very impressive. That's how you can get by as a short corner in this league. He could be a nice mid round pick for the pats
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    Because based on game tape and a dominating Senior Bowl performance against top caliber competition, one guy, DRC will be the 1st corner off the board next month and greatness awaits. Dryheat, honestly, I'm not sure what you have against this guy, but you are the only one that apparently doesn't think DRC will end up being a shutdown stud in this league. You are on an island with this thinking. I will throw you a life jacket, it's time to submit and swim to shore.

    I told you last month (when he was a projected mid 2nd round pick), that DRC will climb draft boards and will be a top 10 pick. I was laughed at last month when I predicted this and posted it, but it's happening as we speak. He's tall, he's athletically in his own stratosphere, he highpoints any ball in his area code, he closes on square outs faster than anyone I've ever seen since Deion and in the open field after he picks off a pass, grab your popcorn and enjoy the festivities, it's showtime. I think these recent McKelvin infatuation reports coming out of Gillete are fodder, just plain fodder with tons of smoke. DRC is the guy they are targeting and don't be shocked if you hear his name called to wear Patriot blue.
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    Kind of a silly comparison, isn't it? Cason, Talib, Flowers, etc are thought of as players because of what they've done on the field.

    Rodgers-Cromartie is thought of as a player because of his elite athleticism and his last name.

    Not hate, so much, but just an opinion that he is being WAY overvalued by some on this board because he can run fast, jump high, and is Antonio's cousin.

    I'd be okay if the Patriots got him in the third round....very disappointed if they get him in the top 20 picks.
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    And, like I did last month, I'm still calling bullsh!t on you, because I seriously doubt you've seen one game film on DRC, and most draft "experts" haven't either. That doesn't stop you from throwing out Deion comparisons, though.

    You might be right, and he could be a high first round pick, but it will be by a team that's stupid in personnel matters. You think Belichick is going to take DRC's track skills over two years of on-field production by Flowers, Talib, Cason, etc? I don't.
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    Like I said, I've never based my evaluation off his last name, but you keep bringing that up like a broken record. As for DRC lasting to the 3rd round... LOL. Keep living in that fantasy world if you really believe that's gonna happen. Maybe Gholston should also be a 3rd round pick because "all he has" is the ability to run fast, jump high, and move with explosive quickness, but I think he'll be a 1st round pick. Go ahead and call me crazy, but that's how I think most NFL teams will rate him. :p :p :p

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    No, I don't think DRC will last into the third round. He probably won't last to the second round. Mike Mamula went sixth or seventh one year. There will always be somebody who falls in love with athleticism. I just don't know why people think that all of the sudden Belichick is going to be one of them.

    I don't understand your point about Gholston. Do you think I'd advocate him because of what he did at the Combine? I wouldn't care if he ran a 4.8 and had a 20 inch vertical. I watched him terrorize the Big 10 for two seasons. I watched Cason and Flowers shut down opposing WRs, which is why I don't care what Flowers ran. I watched Chris Long dominate every offensive lineman he went up against.

    What is DRC being evaluated on? And would he be a first round possibility if his name was Dominique Rodgers, as it was back in September?

    Those are rhetorical questions. You've answered them before. And my feelings on the subject are also well known, so I'll try once again not to get pulled into the DRC threads.
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    I'd be delighted to have DRC on the Patriots. Pleased as punch. He has enormous potential, a sky-high ceiling. But he would be a wildly risky use of the highest draft pick the Pats have seen in ages. You just can't commit that kind of money to such a raw prospect unless he is a one of the 3 rarest commodities in the NFL: QB, LT or monster pass rusher.

    Just for the heck of it, I'll toss in a random prediction that the Patriots will draft 2 of the following 6 CBs:

    Antoine Cason
    Brandon Flowers
    Chevis Jackson
    Jack Williams
    Terence Wheatley
    Brandon Carr

    Please note that I have never, ever correctly predicted a Pats DB selection. I am not to be trusted.
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    TSU doesn't flood the airwaves on Saturdays in the Fall. But what I did do was view his posted game film from a scouting site which displayed his 2 - pick 6's this season, which if you watched him run (both were long) you saw how he was a man playing amongst boys. Like I mentioned, I watched the entire Senior Bowl, 3 plays he made were bona-fide (day one starter) type NFL plays. The high-pointed deep pick (which they now feature on the NFLN btw, #4 is DRC for those who witness it), the break up on the sideline out and the open field square up tackle, the first two being legit NFL-ready plays. I'm not a scout, but I've watched football for 30 years, I watched Deion while at FSU and I watched him busting punts and weaving his way through traffic like people were statues, witnessing that kind of dominance is what I'm witnessing with DRC, my eyes aren't fooling me. I'm predicting that he will be better than his cousin, and I say this simply because of his elite speed and incredible ball skills. I've watched every thing that a person like me can possibly watch on DRC, because that's all that's available to me as a basic internet person like everyone else here, believe me, I've searched on his game tape. Look, it's fine if you're not sold, but I'm sold, Mel Kiper Jr. is sold as are many, many talent evaluators and the proof will soon come when he suits up for that lucky team that gets to enjoy his services for the next 5 years on his rookie contract. I'm hoping that lucky team is us.
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    Fair enough.
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    Since I really like Cason, Flowers, and Jackson, please refrain from trying to keep one or two of them off the Patriots 2008 NFL roster, devil women!:D
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    DRYHEAT,
    How have you been. I wouldn't spend too much time arguing with a fan whose personal liking for a player clouds their judgement on who is best for this team and who the Patriots really like.
    I told you that the Pats were "In Love" with Cason after the combine before all the reports of their interest came out. I said it then and I'll say it again the Pats are not big fans of DRC at this stage and it has alot to do what's upstairs. If people want to argue with you about who's the best corner and they say DRC is the best, then let them talk because no respectable scout would put there career on the line to say DRC is a guaranteed super star shut down corner. Nobody that I talked with feels this period. Also, watch for Thomas at SC as well. DRC will not be picked by the Patriots at #7 nor will he be picked that high anyway.
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    I am well, thank you.

    Tell me, my latest mock has the Pats coming away with Groves (trade down), Cason (trade up), Goff, and Demps.

    How does that square with your thinking?
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    Let's be honest here the Patriots will NOT take a corner at #7. It's basically the same money that Asante got from Philly. Also, I do believe that they like Cason, as do I. He was the best corner going into the year. I was on the DRC bandwagon for awhile, but that makes zero cents. In order for them to get Cason they have to move up in round 2. It's will be diffcult to trade out of #7. I just pray we don't draft Derrick Harvey. Also, don't be shocked if McFadden is taken at #7 if they can't trade the pick and he is still there.
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    I saw this and I think it would be a Great start to the draft but if the Patriots pulled of this type of first day with Groves and Cason they wouldn't start day 2 with Goff from what I hear they will be addressing the O-Line in the first 3 rounds if they don't add depth before then. Goff I like but if they get a pass-rush DE/OLB in the 1st they will look at a coverage ILB later in the draft to groom and play on 3rd down next to AD. So you would have Groves, Vrabel on the outside with AD and Rookie or Seau on the inside on 3rd downs. Think in terms of Stanford Kegler who's a good coverage linebacker in the 5th round or so. Here's a sleeper if he checks out medically to replace Tedy in a year or two Jeremy Leman-Illinois. This kid is very intelligent with good mean streak who loves contact. He could be a very good lunch pale ILB in the 6th round or so.

    Demps, I like alot infact according to his brother Will, Quintin is alot better than him and will surprise some people and Will is pretty good. But, In your scenerio they get their Top corner and assuming they haven't added another CB/S before the draft and that means Meriweather will compete for FS with Sanders with some extra depth added already so if they go safety in this draft and I believe they will look for players later that could be potential FS/SS Combos and also add good value. Like: Marcus Griffin-Texas, Simeon Castille-Alabama, Husain Abdullah-Wazzu, my favorite Thomas DeCoud-Cal and my sleeper who not many people are talking about Bobbie Williams-Bethune-Cookman. Bobbie is a good kid who's a good athlete for special teams, can hit hard, has good instincts and ball skills. This kid would be a 6-7th rounder who could be a steal for some team.

    From what I'm hearing Cason is going to be a 1st rounder, I can almost guarantee it. The more teams visit this kid the more they like him. So a Groves-Cason combo is growing more and more unlikely. Too bad they don't have 31 actually. Watch to see if the Pats address either LB or CB before the draft and it will give an indication on what they feel and hear is coming down the pipeline. Unfortunatly, I see a move coming before the draft here.

    I believe there will be a surprise pick in the 1st 4 rounds, at least to some. That's why I keep saying where are the WR's in these mocks.

    I like your thinking though, great work.
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    I'm actually starting to get worried now that a number of other Pats fans seem to like the same guys I've been talking about for months (Cason, Groves, Goff, C. Jackson). See, I've been somewhat in the minority the past 2-3 years when it comes to the players I like the most for NE, and that's actually worked out quite well for me.

    So, either my streaks going to come to an end, or a lot of us will be correct, which isn't usual....
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    every team needs a tall man-to-man cover corner, even if we like to play zone more you cant play zone all game. You need that one guy that you can line up against another teams #1 WR and shut him down. Have you seen how many tall big WRs are in the league these days? Does Hobbs covering Plaxico ring a bell? DRC is a no brainer, hes the kind of #1 corner you build your secondary around.
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    Oh, get over yourself Sebastian. Some of us want to share in the glory too. ;)
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    Thanks a lot. :( Those are my top 5 CBs. Get invited to many parties do ya? ;)
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    Ha!

    I liked that little dagger at the end, too.
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