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Finally a defensive player!
he will be moved to OLB
Mincey is a good pick.... I want Oliver Hoyte at 205 or 206
you think? hes a bit slow no?
Good Pick, should develop into a great player after a few years.
yay to me on my 100th post
I guess both Jackson and Mincey do get drafted together as was speculated. Neat!
283 lbs. Could we move him inside?
4.75, weighs 260. Sounds like a project to become a OLB, but could be a replacement for Willie eventually. If not, well, it was a 6th round pick. No harm, no foul.
He's definately not fast.....
War Room analysis
Strengths: Is a tough, fiery competitor who never lets up. Is one of the better run-stopping ends -- is quick off the snap and consistently gets lower than the offensive linemen. Is at his best in a one-gap plan, shooting gaps and using quickness and lower-body strength to penetrate and make plays in the backfield. Is a sure open-field tackler.
Weaknesses: Lacks experience; only played two seasons at Florida. Doesn't use hands well as a pass rusher. Gives up chest to opponents too easily, and doesn't attack the edges against offensive tackles. Must develop more pass-rush skills; is neither powerful enough to run over most blockers nor fast enough to blow by them.
Bottom line: Mincey gets all over the field against the run, whether it's with penetration or containing the perimeter. However, he offers little as a pass rusher. With his open-field skills and special teams potential, he could go late in the fourth round.
Dan Pompei analysis
Is intense but isn't a great athlete. Has some straight-line speed. Is good in pursuit. Gets good leverage. Can shoot gaps. Could add bulk. Run defense is not his strong suit. Doesn't bend well.
No. 18 on Pompei's DE rankings
His Pro Football weekly review was not very good. What reviews where you looking at?
I recognized his name because I looked at all the tweeners at DE on NFL countdown.
For 259 lbs , he's got decent speed, he runs a 4.78. He's a good pick.
Shows good quickness...A tough, hard-nosed player...Is relentless and has a motor that never stops...Very active and is always around the action...Does a solid job versus the run...Makes a lot of plays behind the line...Really penetrates.
Is not as tall as you'd like...Struggles to shed blockers...Doesn't play with great leverage...Lacks great instincts...Is not really a sack artist...Raw and needs work on developing his technique...Only played two years at the major college level
Pompei and TSN scouts seem to disagree on his run stuffing ability. TSN says he gets all over the field against the run but offers little as a pass rusher, and Pompei says run defense isn't his strong suit. Uhh...
I'll bet you my house that Willie hasn't ran that fast in 10 years... and he was pretty good, no?
It looks like everyone says that he is a tough, hard-nosed competitor who is good against the run (and thus, must be a good tackler). He's not a sack artist. This is almost the exact opposite of TBC, who is a good sack artist, but needed to work on other things coming out of the draft.
SN has him ranked as the 'Best Run Stopper' out of the DEs.
Strengths: Does an adequate job of anticipating the snap, possesses a quick first step and flashes the ability to shoot gaps. Plays with a non-stop motor and is relentless in pursuit. Possesses adequate bulk and is big enough to improve ability to defend the run. Possesses adequate lateral mobility and flashes the ability to redirect inside after starting inside. Gets hands up when isn't going to get to the quarterback, has adequate leaping ability and can tip passes at the line of scrimmage.
Weaknesses: Doesn't play with great leverage, lacks ideal lower body strength and gets driven off the ball at times. Doesn't have the upper body strength to consistently maintain separation from blockers and takes too long to shed blocks once reached. Lacks ideal lower body strength and plays with a narrow base. Doesn't use hands well and he needs to do a better job of protecting legs when fighting off cut blocks. Lacks ideal instincts, gets caught out of position at times and fails to locate the ball carrier at other times. Doesn't have elite top-end speed and will likely have some problems turning the corner. Doesn't show a wide variety of pass rush moves and isn't a powerful bull rusher. Fails to break down in the open field and will miss some tackles trying to deliver the big hit rather than wrapping up.
Overall: Mincey graduated from high school in 2002 and he attended Butler Community College during the 2003 season. He enrolled at Florida in the spring of 2004 and he started all 12 games that year. Mincey played in 12 games during the 2005 season, recording four tackles-for-loss and 3.5 sacks. Mincey isn't fundamentally sound and his lack of ideal speed limits his NFL potential. He likely will never develop into a fulltime starter, but he has enough size and athletic ability to develop into an effective "wave" contributor. He also plays with a great motor and is the type of player that projects as a special teams' contributor in the pros. Mincey should come off the board early on the second day of the 2006 draft.
It would be beyond his capabilities to be more than a special teamer and situational player for a few years anyway. I think that TBC will be used more on the field and this kid will see plenty of ST reps.
If I recall correctly, Tedy Bruschi played mostly special teams under Parcells, way back then. It takes time for LBs to develop in our system.
Sounds like he has more potential as an ILB than an OLB.
Combine time is not an absolute...
He would have ideal size for ILB run stuffer.
Damn it, quit drafting defense
I remember from Reis' blog that Mincey was asked how he'd feel about being Chad Jackson's teammate in New England when we interviewed him at Florida
Willie run... :nono: Willie was doing XTREME-LUMBERING. :bricks:
Willie did run when we drafted him...after all those groin problems it became a fast version of lumbering...his initial step was cat quick though and the reason for his success.
Love Willie posts ... he'll always be in my Patriots All-time top 5.
Reading the NFL.com bio of Mincey, you have to question why he decided to come out early. They say he's a little raw, but had the talent to have a monster season next year at Florida and was likely to be a top draft pick.
Only 2 yrs in college program, inconsistent reports about POA indicate he should be able to ward off blocks consistently with coaching. One-gapper, better ILB trait (even TJ blitzed occassionally), ability to flash inside to gaps, redirect inside. Was being judged as a DE, many limitations mentioned arent so critical as an ILB. Sounds like a raw kid who can improve in our system.
Yeah, he could develop into the next TJ. I'm sure that is where he will be tried first. Perfect size, strength and motor for the pos. in our system. Will need time to grow into it though.
I agree. The biggest question IMO about his ability to convert to ILB would be coverage. Can he turn his heaps and cover? Can he handle the position mentally? It is a lot harder than playing OLB
Good article on Mincey
here's my favorite part
Mincey has discovered that Belichick has a great sense of humor and he's also discovered a coach that really cares about his players on a very personal level. Mincey says that is the kind of coach he thrives under.
"He's one funny dude," said Mincey, just back from what he called a "great trip" to Boston. "You watch him on TV and you'll never know what a real character he is. He can make you laugh a lot but he's got a serious side about him that has nothing at all to do with football, too. We probably laughed more and talked more about life than we did about football when I was up there. He's a lot like Urban Meyer, just a good dude that you like as a person and you want to play football for."
Wow, nice find. I know BB and Meyer spent some time last off season working together, but it sounds like they have a pretty solid relationship.
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