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excellent. just need to resign Seau, and look at some other existing contracts (warren, Wilfork, SAMUEL obviously) and I think our defense is set approaching the draft.
I guess no one else was beating his door down. Why wait until free agency actually begins to re-sign a free agent unless he wanted to test the market?
I guess its a one year deal or?? Makes sense..he's a top ST guy...and with davis retiring..some vets are needed. Not bad at all.
Good signing. The guy is a leader and he still makes plays on STs (although he certainly isnâ€™t as good as he used to be). He personifies the kind of blue collar attitude that BB seems to love. Donâ€™t forget, this is the fist FA BB signed when he came to Patriots.
Terrific, but I must admit I'd be far happier if we could figure out hwo to get him out of goal line defense. Unless I'm mistaken, he often fails to set the edge, and otherwise screws up when he actuall has to play linebacker, or something similar to linebacker.
I believe that was a big part of the Willie McGinest scrum with him a while back.
Nice special team player but Izzo brings nothing to the LB corps as a backup. Strictly a SP player. I thought he would be on the bubble this year, guess not.
Same exact thing happend against the chargers in the playoff game, he failed to set the edge and LT ran right around him.
Patriots Insider had him leaving. Glad he re-signed since he is still a
good special teams player.
He is a good special teamer but if he sees any action as a LB it means one of two things:
a) we have had multiple (3-4 injuries) to our LBs
b) the FO has done an inadequate job building the LB core
Our front end looks real good - Colvin, Bruschi, Vrabel, Thomas
and our backend looks ok - Izzo, Mays, Woods, Alexander
add one more P/T ILB and a draft pick and this is a very solid group
In a 4-3 the DE has primary edge responsibility within the basic scheme, I'd think it would be the same with a goal line formation. I seem to remember Izzo defending an end zone pass in the Denver 2005 regular season, I'd suspect he's there as more of a big safety then a run stuffing LB.
As for the LdT example noted later, I'm shocked to learn LdT was able to outrun a LB to the corner!
what would Seau do for us? Besides be good depth? He cant play 3rd down and i doubt he actually starts over anyone in our group. I would bring him back but its not a must
definately a team guy. st could be the differance in the big games and hes a specialist.good sign
Seau would provide a solid run stuffer role, who could give good support on 1st and 2nd down (The Ted Johnson Role). On third down, the setup could look like this:
OLB: Colvin, Thomas
ILB: Vrabel, Bruschi
Or you could switch Thomas and Vrabel. Seau was great against the run last year, and if I recall correctly, after the injury, our run defense declined significantly.
I wasn't saying that he was going to start (this thread is about Izzo, who i was excited was signed because he provides a bit of depth at the position i am most concerned about). I think if we sign Seau (or another ILB, be it the Mitchell guy from KC, or Barry Gardner) I think the defense will be set.
i admire what Seau did for us but why are we paying these guys to play 1 down or passing downs?(Rosie, Vrabel,Thomas)
i doubt we get Seau to come in and play 2 downs over our 4 good LBs and 2 who are getting paid some of the biggest #s on the team.(Rosie and AD)
Vrabel certainly does not deserve to be on the bench first 2 downs because run plays but Bruschi might but Bruschi doesnt really help us out on 3rd down in coverage..
Ok, point taken. So what do you think needs to be done as far as LB depth? Do you think we are set? Or are you looking for another guy?
He is a good ST player and good locker room guy. But, please get some other LBs who can actually play the position in the field.
Most excellent special teams players are not starting-quality at their "regular" positions.
(However, only some players who are starting-quality at their "regular" positions are excellent special teams players).
Just thinking out loud here but he could now qualify for the vet exclusion rule. This means they can pay him say $800K but he only counts $435K against the cap. Need to see Miguel's cap page when he is added to see his cap hit.
Right. I suppose this is a good signing if BB wants to keep him around, but it doesn't necessarily thrill me. Izzo doesn't seem able to offer much at all when called upon to contribute beyond special teams.
Has that ever been a serious problem?
Would you rather have Izzo or Vrabel on special teams?
(i.e. - who is the better special teams player?)
we need depth. im fine with our starting 4..Thomas can definatley play ILB at strongside like Ted Johnson and sometimes shift outside with Vrabel and all that. Depth would be nice..Alexander is an FA, Davis retired, TBC is gone, Gardner is an FA, Seau is gone. Who are our backup LBs? Woods, Izzo and Mays ? All 3 are STers. We get someone in draft for future (round 1) and sign a few guys..not biggernames like Mitchell that people hope because hes a starter really. Get someone who has some experience in a 3-4, can play ST and has starting exp
He needs to think if he wants to come back one more year in a limited role and spell off Bruschi. I would think of them as being a tandem alternating plays to highlight their strengths and minimize their weaknesses.
On the overall LB plan, all that is left to do is to sign Seau or another vet like him and then draft an ILB with the #24.
But, a lot of this planning depends on how the Samuel negotiations are going. If he signs long term and with Gay coming off IR, the Pats probably wouldn't draft a CB at #24. If it becomes obvious Samuel is a one year rental, then the priority of drafting a CB goes ahead of LB.
Izzo is a horrible linebacker. Every time he's in our goal line defensive package, the other team runs sweeps in his direction and he fails in stopping the RB.
i remember LT burned him..and idk how u get burned at the 2 yard line when your next to someone. :\
You get outrun to the sidelines...
(Or in the case of Denver, January 2005, pushed from behind by an OT...)
Are we seriously discussing Larry Izzo in his goal line play?
I don't think that was what he was re-signed for. I don't think that is why he has been on the Patriots 6 years running. I don't think that is why is a 2-time Pro Bowler. I don't think that is why he is a team captain. I don't think that is why he is a locker room leader. I don't think that is why he is one of the best special team players in the NFL.
You are correct, sir...and so is JWB.
Izzo brings nothing to the LB position, and if he's so good on ST, then why are the coverage units so mediocre?
The pats need to become bigger, younger, faster, and stronger at LB and ST. Izzo is none of these. His time has come (and gone).
I was hoping that someone like Isaiah Kacyvenski or Tony Gilbert would be signed to fill one of the backup LB/ST spots.
If Izzo returns, then Seau and - especially - Troy Brown better be returning, as well.
Sammy Morris was bad enough, but Larry Izzo? His spot should have been upgraded after the 2004 season. Whatever happened to: "Better to have them leave one year too early than one year too late"?
Other than that, it's a good signing.
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