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zoostation said:Don't say all. #12 and #93 are not.
Brady and Seymour will have to be replaceable some day. Hopefully, for Brady, its not for another 10 years. And Seymour, another 5-7.
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Of course you didn't say it directly but you sure suggested it :SoonerPatriot said:Where did I say that?
SoonerPatriot said:Uh, I didn't see Gabriel or Jackson catching too many balls from the league's top QB on Sunday.
83 times worse like his numberThe reporter quoted him comparing the Branch trade to the feeling when Lawyer Milloy was cut, but that it was "83 times worse."
BelichickFan said:Of course you didn't say it directly but you sure suggested it :
prov pat said:I just caught the NECN segment on players reaction. Vrabel said, more or less, how devastated the team is to see Branch go but that Branch got the contract he deserved. Seymour was very upset and down about the trade. The reporter quoted him comparing the Branch trade to the feeling when Lawyer Milloy was cut, but that it was "83 times worse." He said Branch did everything anyone could ask as a Patriot. The reporter said that Belichick broke the news to the team this morning and there were a lot of upset players.
I guess this reaction is to be expected by the players - they don't want to lose their talent any more than we do. Still, don't they realize that Branch made a decision not to stand by them and the team by holding out while under contract??
I hope they don't lose their focus on the game this weekend.
PonyExpress said:If Seymour gives a lackluster effort next week because he is "distraught" over the departure of Minnie Mouse he should be stripped of his captaincy and it should be given to Warren.
Sorry- the idea of an '03 Buffalo style debacle at the hands of "Mangina" this weekend would send me into couch potato rage.fgssand said:Come now Pony - RS is a true professional, no way he mails it in. When have you ever seen RS give anything less than all he has?
LOL! You're killin me.PonyExpress said:Sorry- the idea of an '03 Buffalo style debacle at the hands of "Mangina" this weekend would send me into couch potato rage.
PonyExpress said:Sorry- the idea of an '03 Buffalo style debacle at the hands of "Mangina" this weekend would send me into couch potato rage.
Not sure who the OP is but I don't automatically pencil in production either. But Gabriel had good number in Oakland (that is the NFL even if it's the defensively challenged AFCW). Worst case on Gabriel is that he's competent because he has been before with lesser QBs. We need him to be somewhat more than just competent, hopefully he can be. But his numbers clearly show he can play.SoonerPatriot said:Yeah, you're right. Unlike you and the OP, I don't automatically pencil in players for production they might not deliver simply because we have traded for them or drafted them. Until they actually produce, you know, on the field of play (minor detail, I know) then what they did in Oakland or what they did at U of F doesn't count for **** does it?
hwc said:I don't think Branch wanted to leave the Pats. I think his agent got him all twisted up and had him believing that his hardline approach would force the Pats to give him Marvin Harrison money.
I honestly don't think Branch understood that his refusal to negotiate and his immediate hold-out in response to legitimate offers from the Pats, and his filing of grievances would make it impossible for him to return to the Pats.
He got his money (maybe...we haven't seen the contract details), but he may not have gotten what he wanted.
MoLewisrocks said:I think that is what has stunned some of these players. I think they really believed Deion wanted to stay and just wanted to leverage a better deal here, and I think they were the ones relaying that sentiment to the FO which is why they let this thing drag on. If the FO believed in March that he was personally intractable they would have traded him before the 2006 draft. Someone led them to believe that it was all the agent, and I think they tried to probe Branch's resolve and eventually racheted up the pressure with the seek a trade scenario. Apparently his teamates who were also his confidants misread Deion, or he is just not the brightest bulb off the field. I think it was a little of both. But it may also be via one of them (or Deion himself) that the team came to believe the JETS offer was on the table before the permission was granted.
If they persue the tampering charge it will be not to punish the JETS so much as to open up Chayut as the agent to NFLPA sanction. Which is what Kessler was probably angling to avoid when he claimed on Felger's show today that the union remained concerned about the team talking directly to this player posing an ongoing concern for the NFLPA, and equating it to talking to someone without their lawyer present.
SoonerPatriot said:Yeah, you're right. Unlike you and the OP, I don't automatically pencil in players for production they might not deliver simply because we have traded for them or drafted them. Until they actually produce, you know, on the field of play (minor detail, I know) then what they did in Oakland or what they did at U of F doesn't count for **** does it?
mtbykr said:I get the feeling that the person who is most depressed tonight is DB. From the Sey reaction, it seems like he had no idea this was coming, which probably means neither did DB. After yesterday's lackluster O performance, mabey DB thought he had some more leverage---who knows. This just smells like DB's agent had him in the dark the whole time--sounds like DB wanted to stay (and probably still does), but is now forced to move on becuase he hired a ****** to represent him.
BradfordPatsFan said:Perhaps Seymour gave him the idea to holdout and told him to stick to it and get what he wants.