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  1. PonyExpress

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    Provided the defense improves, which usually happens down the stretch with BB, this team has a good shot for post season play.

    The other contenders are Indy, Jax, SD and the NYJ.

    IMO Indy will finish 10-6, Jax 9-7, SD 8-8, NYJ 8-8.

    If the Pats beat Denver they will be in solid position to seize one of the two WCs.

    On another point, this season is a great opportunity to evaluate the Patriot's true talent level. For some time, Brady's excellence has disguised creeping weaknesses on the rest of the roster.

    Now the safety blanket is gone, and players and coaches are forced to demonstrate their true value.

    This is a positive in the long run, once Tom returns. Areas of need, overrated and underrated players are being exposed by Brady's absence. No longer can the defense be frontrunners, playing from ahead in advantageous situations all season.

    No longer can the O-line look forward to Brady bailing them out, or consistent 2nd and shorts.

    No longer can rbs expect defenses in permanent dime packages.

    After 2002, it was obvious that the decks had to be cleared on defense before commencing another march to glory.

    Similarly, regardless of this season's outcome, the front office will have all the evidence it needs to accurately evaluate this team's talent for 2009 and beyond.
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    Good post, but its wrong because they are going to win the east.
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    How about, as the old ball coach would say, let's worry about winning Monday nights game :)
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    Ditto on the good post, not on the east. I think Buffalo has come of age. Even with Brady, I think it would be a contested battle.
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    Ok Im assuming you saw our game vs. SD last Sunday. Now did you get the chance to see the Bills play SD this Sunday?
    Heres why I ask, the Bills looked better (much better in fact) than the Patriots against the same exact team. They have also looked pretty good all season against other teams, so the Patriots winning the division is definitely not a given. It's very possible, but its also very possible the Bills will win it.
    Trent Edwards is money.
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    Brady would crush that fluke of a team.
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    The bills played one good team the cards, who actually had a winning records. The rest of the games the bills would have lost if the other teams didnt hand over the games. I saw most of the bills game to day, and if it wasnt for an OVERRATED qb on a OVERATED team (once again without a winning record) making a huge mistake of a throw at the goal line, they would have lost today. The bills are the luckiest team in the nfl when it comes to getting a game handed to them in the 4th. Every game they play this year against a decent team, they will lose. That will hurt there "we are good now" attitude that they have and they will start to lose to worse teams as well.
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    Alright I can see theres no point in arguing with you that the Bills are a legit team since you seem to be pretty set on your opinion on them. Only time will tell which team is better.
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    I'm not contesting that the Bills are a very good team or even that they have a very good chance at winning the division, but to me it was pretty obvious that SD had gameplanned much, much harder against us than them.
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    Yea thats probably true. Im also gonna go ahead and say that San Diego played a lot harder against us because of our history with them. They had a lot more motivation and intensity against us.
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    San Diego was also going all the way across the country to face a team that was coming off of a bye. Buffalo had everything going for it this week.
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    Also, don't forget that it was much easier for SD to play at home against a team that had been on the road for more than a week VS. them flying 3000 miles east to play a game in Buffalo which to their bodies' felt like it was starting at 10 AM.
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    Yeah, that too.
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    I wasn't a member here back in the day when the Pats were so,so is this what it was like ? Pats pushing for wild card spot. ;)
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    I donno but the pats have played 5 games so I am not going to get excited about being in first for the wild card. Let's see in week 10. I know the OP was trying to make a point that the season is not lost and I agree but it's too early to figure out which way this team will go.
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    I think you are too high on Indy. I am thinking they will go 8-8 or 9-7 at this point. I thought 10-6 before the season started and they have even disapointed me in their play. They have just completed one of the easier parts of their schedule and now embark on a stretch of @ Tennessee, the Pats, @ Pittsburgh, Houston, and @ San Deigo. I can see them losing every one of those games the way they are playing now. At best unless they get their act together, I think they go 2-3, maybe 3-2. That would be six losses right there and they still have to play Tennessee and Jacksonville again. I easily see at least 4 or 5 more losses on their schedule.

    I don't see the Jets as a serious playoff contender. They lost to the Raiders and had a real difficult time with the Carson Palmerless Bengals (no matter what the score indicated). I can still see those guys finishing 4th in the division.

    The thing is that this is a down year in the AFC. I wouldn't be surprised if an 9-7 or 8-8 team made it in. Granted at 8-8, what shot would you realistically have to win the Super Bowl?
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    ??? His point wasn't that the season wasn't lost - it was that we are having a good season.

    You say it is too early to say the Patriots are on a course to make the playoffs, but it isn't too early for you to think the Pats season might be over? What kind of logic is that? If you don't want to project into the future, and only look at the present, why can't you just admit that the Pats have the fifth best record in the AFC?

    It's not too early to look at the standings and see where teams are.

    All teams will win and lose games, but right now, the Pats are one of the better teams.

    Try and accept that.

    Repeat after me: The Pats are currently one of the best teams in the NFL. Most teams in the NFL have a worse record than the Patriots.
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    Most of the fans today became fans in 2003, or worse, 2007. They can't relate to shooting for a wild card. If they team loses a game, they think it is the end of the world. Good thing they weren't fans back in the early 90's :eek:
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    Yeah really there were many Sunday's, few Mondays that you watched in anticipation that the Pats could/would beat whoever they were playing. And it was exciting just that they won the game.
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    Hoping for a wild card? - Hell back in the late 80s-90s I was hoping for ANY win that Zolak or Wilson could muster.
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    whatever dude. I haven't said anything in my post that was negative regarding the pats but rather I would personally like to wait until week 10 to judge Why do you, or for that matter, many of the posters here on Patsfan.com take things so personal? Why must you make it so personal? It's a sports message board. Try and accept I have an opinion and treating me like a KID isn't the way to make your point.

    Come on, it's week six, i said i would wait till week 10 to see what direction the team will go in. WHERE DID I SAY THE SEASON WAS OVER?

    No wonder I rarely post on this board, people run wild here.

    PS- Sorry if I took your message the wrong way, I am a little pissy after staying up to watch the sox loose :(
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    I've watched every Bills game this year, I have watched all but one Patriot game this year. (being in Toronto, the Bills get forced down our throats)

    Hate to say it, but right now the Bills defense is playing way better than the Pats defense.
    The Bills seem to have this quiet air of confidence around them (very similar to past Patriot teams) and I don't see any panic in them when they fall behind. Trent Edwards, while not spectacular is an efficient QB who does not seem to make the big mistake and Lynch is an excellent back who gives the Bills a legit running attack.

    Don't kid yourselves, this is a very good and very talented Buffalo team this year. They will be trouble for anyone who faces them.
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    I love how some people say "don't harshly evaluate Cassel as it's only week 7" but then turn around to point out how we're in first place in the wild card running. Pretty hypocritical if you ask me and I'm one of the people who thinks we should still stick with Cassel and that it's way too early to judge either way just based on how the entire team is playing.
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    Agreed. It is way to early to start thinking playoffs. There are alot of things that need to improve on this team to get to that point. QB play, O line play, secondary, pressure from front seven, running game, etc. (yikes that's a big list). Lets hope they start improving in some of those areas. Right now, I'm just glad we have a somewhat easy schedule this year.
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    FOR PERSEPCTIVE
    On December 20, 1981, the Patriots played in the "Toilet Bowl" against the Baltimore Colts. The loser would get the 1st pick in the 1982 draft. And with the first pick, the Patriots chose Ken Sims. Both teams ended 2-14 in 1981.

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    It is a fact that as of this moment the Pats are leading the wild card chase. There is nothing "hypocritical" about stating a demonstrable fact.
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    ....and that means diddly squat in week 7
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    I agree that judging the wild card race is far too premature. Just two weeks ago, the Cowboys were considered the best team in the NFL and now they seem to be sliding out of the playoffs. Last week, the Colts and Chargers were on their way back to dominance in the AFC and today they are both teams that look to be struggling for a Wild Card berth.

    I think it is too soon to judge Cassel and it is too soon to judge the Wild Card race. Personally, I only commented on my opinions of the playoff contenders mentioned in this thread, but I will conceed that by the end of the season my opinion will be way off.
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    Really?

    If you check the AFC playoff qualifiers last year after Week 7, I suspect that you will find that at least 5 of 6 were in the playoffs. However, let's see where we are in the morning.

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