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    For some reason, I thought we had more. Jets cut most of their team and now are $36 million under the limit.

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    #54 Jersey

    How did Philly get that far under the cap?!?!?
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    Is this right?

    Miguel?

    Who's running this team anyhow?
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    This must include Cassel's franchise numbers... right?
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    Yup, I'm sure this is just about everything. I wonder if we can even afford to pick up Pierre's tab.
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    Better hope Cassel is traded ASAP.
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    Miguel has it closer to $8M.
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    #24 Jersey

    I am wondering if maybe the tenders and a few other moves may have taken up 5 mil???? otherwise I trust Miguel more.
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    I guess this answers those who said we could franchise cassel and still have plenty of money to sign FAs.

    Wonder if the Pats will make some cap-related cuts now? If so, Kevin Faulk looks to have a bigger salary than what he is worth. Not that he isn't an asset, but that $4 million dollars would be put to better use on a CB, IMO, if we could get a decent one for that.
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    I'm not so worried about it. I never thought the Pats would be a big player in the first days of free agency where players are way overpaid and many are way overrated. They can free up cap space if needed to acquired second tier free agents pretty easily. There are some well overpaid players who can be traded or cut.
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    As I say on my page, my numbers do NOT include the cap impact of expected tenders to the Patriots' ERFAs and RFAs or the escalators that may been reached by Logan Mankins, David Thomas, Ryan O'Callaghan, Ross Hochstein, or LeKevin Smith. Adam's may.
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    "Better hope Cassel is traded ASAP."


    I agree with you. Can't do much until this happens.
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    Who is in charge of the Pats cap now that your GM is gone?
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    And people thought that my idea of cutting Vrabel and Green were heartless. If the Pats are that hard up against a cap. Those moves may become a reality sooner rather than later. Particularly if the Pats are serious about acquiring Peppers and PAYING him.
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    some combination of Nick Caserio, Floyd Reese, and Belichick
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    I was looking at that the other day. I'd think Faulk would be willing to take a reasonable pay cut, especially given the low money deal that Brandon Jacobs just signed, and the rumor that Derrick Ward is only seeking $2-$3 million per year.

    Given the role Faulk plays on this offense, I'd probably cry if he gets cut.
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    Hmmm...I wonder if Bringing in Reese has anything to do with the job he did rebuilding the Titans after they went through cap hell. Tennessee really is Reese's team.
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    But it surely wouldn't have anything to do with Reese putting them in cap hell in the first place - just for the Titans could make one last run at it in 2003. Keep in mind he was fired after 2006. I know he has a history with Belichick, but Reese wasn't exactly in high demand during his two years at ESPN. He was supposedly openly campaigning for a spot with the Lions after this past season before Belichick brought him in.

    Granted, Reese did make some good picks in the late 90s and again in his last few years with the Titans, but it's not like he rebuilt the team (again, much of the team's failures in 2004-2006 was his own doing) and saw it through; the Titans really didn't find success until 2007 (after he was fired) or really 2008. He just drafted many of the key players in the 2007-2008 successes.

    Or, as Florio puts it:

    ProFootballTalk.com - TITANS SHOULD FIRE FLOYD REESE AGAIN
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    With a heavy, heavy dose of Belichick. At this point, I see Caserio having more influence in personnel matters than financial ones (even though, as Pioli said at the combine, he has a strong business background), and Reese being there as that veteran cross-football voice that was lost when Pioli left.
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    I guess that we can stop all the nonsense that the Pats are the only ones who know how to operate in the cap era.
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    You're being serious about this statement? We're under without NEEDING to cut anyone. I doubt cutting Coles was something they were just itching to do.

    At any rate, the cap space will be a lot better shortly.
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    Right - so for anyone lamenting our lack of salary cap space, they should note that we could be $36 million under too... if we cut most of our team.

    The difference between the Patriots and the Jets is that we don't WANT to cut most of our team - they do.

    I'll take that any day of the week.

    And consider this - if Wilfork were a free agent playing for another team and we signed him on the first day of free agency to a long term contract, would people be pleased?

    Because once Cassel is traded that's probably exactly what's going to happen.
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    I was being dead serious.
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    He's done a terrific job, that's for sure, and has cured his fumble-itis.

    I don't want to see him cut, either, but I think if you are looking to cut $4mil, then i'd rather see him cut than Jarvis Green.
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    I hope this is yet another example of joking.

    You surely CANNOT think that the more cap space you have the better cap manager you are?

    It is about who you have on your roster for the money you are spending, not about how little you are spending.
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    Faulk is the best pass blocking back in the league, with Brady comming off of his injury, Faulk becomes even more important then he has been.
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    I am just saying the Pats are human, not extraterrestrials who have figured out the way to master the cap. They are good but so are most teams these days.

    $3.2M makes things pretty tight.
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    Right, but you don't believe the Cassel development was expected, I assume. Aside this very unique situation, this team would be very comfortably under the cap right now.
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    Sounds like should of could of would of... They know what they are doing, it was a gamble to franchise Cassel. They were willing risk losing out on initial free agent signings to get some sort of value for Cassel. In the meantime they sit on their hands.

    As it sits they have $3.2 left to spend on 15+ rosters spots and camp bodies. Once Cassel is traded they will have $18~ which is ok but not great.
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    According to Tom Marino if these players are cut or left to go FA we free up $16,647,000, not including a Cassel trade.

    Harrison, Rodney DB 14 3,732,500 Colvin, Rosevelt LB 9 1,932,500 Wright, Mike DE 3 1,422,500 Gaffney, Jabar WR 6 1,282,000 Sanders, James DS 3 1,026,000 O'Neal, Deltha DC 8 1,000,000 Hochstein, Russ OG 7 890,000 Paxton, Lonie LS 8 884,000 Evans, Heath RB 7 856,000 Jordan, LaMont RB 7 850,000 Hanson, Chris PT 7 761,500 Izzo, Larry LB 12 490,000 Sanders, Lewis DC 8 489,500 Williams, Tank DB 6 276,500 Smith, Kenny DT 5 274,000 Seau, Junior LB 18 250,000 Stokes, Barry OT 9 230,000

    I love Rodney(a very hard loss) and Hochstein has been a help. Can we upgrade Wright although he played well? Heath will take a deal to return. Paxton might be a tough loss unless we can get him under his due CAP. Who pays a million for a LS?

    Other than that, let's get the CAP space settled and when the dust clears resign some of them if available. Leave about $4m for these guys above to resign them, With Cassel that is about $30m under. Miguel you can check these figures.

    I would take a meeting with Boden, McAllister, Fred Taylor and Sean Jones. These are lower tier players but still have enough to offer. Oshansky might be an upgrade on Wright. Should be fairly cheap.
    The shocker here is I look at McAllister as a Safety and backup CB..
    Now if what King is saying about Peppers is true, our 2009 FA was just fine thank you.

    The gaping hole would be WR, BUT if you pick up these guys, you can adjust your draft. Michael Clayton might be a steal at WR. Great rookie year then went down hill. 6' 4" and 215. Still had 38 grabs last year and over 12 YPC. He is only 26.

    Going out a little more expensive, there is a great CB in Bartell but what would he cost? OT Stacy Andrews was tagged last year but got a knee. Could he be cheap and be ready for 2009 season?
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