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  1. carolinatony

    carolinatony In the Starting Line-Up

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    I was just surfing around and found nepatriotsdraft.com
    Not sure if its a official NE Patriot site or not.
    Here's who they have us taking in the first. From what I have read Hardy would be a nice pick for us.
    Just wanted to let you know about this site for future reference. Its all NE sports news.

    29. New England Patriots
    Greg Hardy, DE, Ole Miss
    Hardy is a true bull in the china shop that will have a one-track mind: disruption. Hardy can play the "elephant" position right now in the 3-4 and could play 4-3 DE on passing downs.
     
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    That site has existed for a long time. It's not official in any sense, as far as I am aware.

    Hardy would be a reasonable pick. I'd prefer Derrick Morgan, but doubt he'll last past the top 15. Picking 29th would be disappointing.
     
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    If it's official, then we're all being played by the guy on this board who says he owns it. . . . :)

    And, FWIW, I believe #29 is the Pats' "actual pick" at the moment.
     
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    As the guy who owns it, we are FAR from official... check the disclaimer down on the bottom right.
     
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    Given Hardy's tendency to disappear for stretches at a time, why would he be good for us? I'm not saying that we isn't worth taking a look at. However, the man is done for the season with a wrist injury; he does have a history of other injury concerns; and there are questions about his prior off field incidents.

    While we do have a strong locker room to keep certain tendencies in check, does anyone want to risk a first round draft choice? Thoughts?
     
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    I would definitely risk a late 1st rounder on Hardy. He has too much talent to pass up on, and its looking like Derrick Morgan won't be anywhere near the Pats drafting range. Hardy slipping because of injury concerns would probably be the best chance at drafting an elite pass rusher prospect.
     
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    Right now there are 3 guys (outside of Ndamukong Suh, who will go top 5) who I think are clearly worthy of a 1st round pick for the Pats:

    1. Derrick Morgan, DE/OLB, Georgia Tech (junior). 6'4" 268# guy with tremendous strength and a non-stop motor, reminiscent of Shawne Merriman at his best. Has been unstoppable this year. Plays the run as well as he rushes the passer. Will go top 20, probably top 15, possibly top 10. He's not likely to be as much of a workout warrior as some other guys (Carlos Dunlap, Everson Griffen, Jason Pierre-Paul), but he's been just too good to ignore.

    2. Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama (junior). 6'4" 255#, can play 4-3 SAM as well as 3-4 SILB. Would be the perfect complement to Jerod Mayo. Will probably go top 20, possibly top 15. Slight chance he could slip because of his position, but like Morgan he's been just too good this season.

    3. Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio State (junior). 6'6" 290#. Tremendous athleticism, can play both DE and DT, and does everything well. I think he may have the most upside at 3-4 DE of anyone in the draft (including Suh, as a 3-4 DE) and is reminiscent of a young Richard Seymour. Is reportedly leaning towards staying in school. Probably 1st round pick if he declares, possibly top 15-20.

    I think the odds are >75% that all 3 of these guys (assuming all declare, which is not clear at this point) will be gone well before the Pats pick, and that the cost to trade up will be prohibitive.

    Ochmed would include Mount Cody in this group. I don't include him because it's not clear to me that he's more than a 2 down run stuffer, and because we don't need a 3-4 NT as things stand. I think Cody will also go top 20 given all the teams running 3-4 defenses that could use a NT.

    If any of these guys slip to the Pats' pick, I think it's a no-brainer. If none make it that far, there's 3 basic options:

    1. Trade the pick into 2011 to someone who wants an extra 1st rounder and who preferably will have a high 2011 1st.

    2. Trade back, as we did in 2009.

    3. Pick one of a dozen or so players who don't have the same clear-cut 1st round stamp as those 3 guys, but who have significant upside and may be worth a late 1st round pick. Those guys include:

    - Greg Hardy, DE/OLB. Injury prone and inconsistent, but tremendous upside.
    - Carlos Dunlap, DE. Inconsistent. Not physical enough to play 3-4 DE. Is he too big to play 4-3 DE/3-4 elephant? Likely to go top 20 anyway because he's such a physical freak.
    - Everson Griffen, DE. Inconsistent. Same issues as Dunlap. Will likely be a big time workout warrior at the combine and could jump into the top 20.
    - Jason Pierre-Paul, DE/OLB. Tremendous physical upside, still growing into his body and learning how to use it.
    - Brandon Graham, DE/OLB. Terrific motor and productivity. Average speed, short compared to what BB prefers at OLB.
    - Arthur Jones, DE. Injury prone. Not clear he's a true 1st round talent.
    - Jared Odrick, DE. Not clear he's a true 1st round talent.
    - Jermaine Gresham, TE. Injured. Not clear TE is that big a need.
    - Jonathan Dwyer, RB. Not clear RB is that big a need, or how he would adapt coming form an unorthodox college system.
    - Sergio Kindle, DE/OLB. Not clear he's stout enough to play the edge for BB. More of an athlete than a football player.
    - Jerry Hughes, DE/OLB. Terrific rusher, but not clear that he's strong enough against the run.
    - Eric Norwood, DE/OLB. Terrific versatility, very strong, does a lot of things well. A bit on the short side for a BB OLB. May freelance too much in the South Carolina system.
    - Mike Iupati, OG. Is he sufficient value to take in the 1st round?
    - Maurkice Pouncey, OG/C. Same question as with Iupati.

    So unless we get lucky, or we trade back or trade out, I see us reaching somewhat at the end of the 1st round for someone like the guys listed above, all of whom have questions and issues. A lot depends on how safe the FO wants to play the pick vs. going for upside. I'd personally take a shot at Greg Hardy or Jason Pierre-Paul (or possibly Dunlap or Griffen, if the FO thinks they fit) in that situation, as the pass rush is our biggest need and those guys have such enormous upside.
     
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    Hardy was our pick before the additional injury... right now we have Jason Pierre-Paul as the pick.

    I'd love to see Derrick Morgan, Adrian Clayborn, and Mike Iupati in Patriot uniforms though...
     
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    A dream draft (assuming we win the SB):

    1(32) Derrick Morgan, DE/OLB. If only he could slip to us.
    2(42) Mike Iupati, OG (or Maurkice Pouncey, OG/C).
    2(48) Joseph Barksdale, OT or Jonathan Dwyer/Ryan Mathews RB
    2(64) A 3-4 DE/OLB pass rusher like Jason Pierre-Paul, Greg Romeus, Jeremy Beal, or perhaps even Austen Lane

    And then somehow trade into the early 3rd round and pick up Adrian Clayborn.

    That would be sweet.
     
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    Why? What do you see in these players that makes you want to see them playing for us next season?
     
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    Interestingly enough, we just did the Iron bowl on Saturday. What a mad house.

    I do want to preface the Mount Cody selection by saying that I believe Wilfork will be playing in Miami next season.

    At the Iron bowl yesterday, Mount Cody did not disappoint. Alabama finished the season as the #1 ranked team in college football against the run. It is nearly impossible to run inside with Cody sucking up two and sometimes three blockers. BB talks about making an opponent one dimensional, and that is what Cody does.

    And McClain made a huge play; IN COVERAGE no less; on the last play of the game to preserve the win. If BB wants players that make plays with the game on the line, then McClain is the guy.

    Two Auburn guys that impressed me were RB Tate and OT Ziemba. Tate and run hard inside and outside and he catches the ball as well. Ziemba ate Washington's lunch all game long. He mauled Washington and the occasional second stringers from whistle to whistle. I felt so bad for Washington that in the second half I went by the Alabama bench to see if Washington was crying, that is how badly he was abused.

    We talk a lot about the Pats needing pass rushers, but how about if we add a dynamic return man in the second round. I am talking about Areanas. He can return kick offs and punts and be the 4th or 5th CB on the defense. He just seems to add a lot of value and the field position he provides is so crucial. His return yards are under-publicized "hidden yards" in football.
     
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    Well... do you not?

    Morgan has the ability to apply pressure to the QB on a consistent basis from the DE or OLB position, which the Patriots have struggled with at times.

    Clayborn, whom I've had the pleasure of watching in person these last three years, is a d-line beast. He diagnoses plays well, and consistently disrupts on both running and passing downs.

    Mike I is an athletic big man inside that has the ability to replace Stephen Neal tomorrow.
     
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    I'd have to agree with all of this. I can't see why anyone would not thing these guys should be of interest.
     

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