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    Re: Pats Hall Fame Ballot

    I think Bledsoe has to get in......and next year it's my boy Troy :rocker:
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    It makes me sad that Reiss works for a Mickey Mouse outfit.

    (Disney owns E!SPN.)
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    How was Irving Fryar even discussed other than in the context that he will never get into the Patriots HOF. The guy was somewhat of a bust and major headcase for the Pats. He didn't get good until he got traded to the Fins. I think the knife his wife used to cut him right before the AFC title game in 1986 or the car he crashed while the game was going on after he got tossed are more deserving to go into the Hall. He will be remembered more in these parts for his many off the field incidents (the two I mentioned along with him threating people with a gun outside a Providence nightclub and him supposably getting shot at himself in a robbery attempt at Downtown Crossing) than anything he had done on the field for the Patriots.
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    After what Parcells pulled, no way!
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    I agree with you.. However, without Parcells, there is no Bledsoe and no Belichick. Just food for thought.
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    Didn't like the way he left, but Parcells resurrected this franchise and is the reason why Kraft bought the team and saved it from being shipped to St. Louis. Prior to Parcells, there were 15,000 people in the stands. Parcells brought the sell outs which made Kraft realize that it was good business to buy the team for (at the time) was a ridiculous amount of money.

    Without Parcells, this team would be the St. Louis Budweisers or something like that.
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    All of that stuff would get him into the hall, but the way he left keeps him out.
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    I say he should be in but Drew first then the dynasty guys and years from now come back to Parcells
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    Well, yes and no.

    Even if Parcells was not in place hopefully whoever else was here would take Bledsoe over Mirer; maybe not, who knows.

    On the other hand Bledsoe in the hands of another coaching staff may have ended up with a career that more closely resembled Mirer's.

    A blast from the past on the comparison back then. Interesting to see the other topics of that time: "McMahon May Have Locked Up Viking QB Starting Spot", Tagliabue Harpoons Mirer's Contract", "Pats Sign Bledsoe for $14.88 Million", and "Torretta Not Considered Top Prospect".



    To me Bledsoe is a lock; he's in the Pats HoF.

    In my opinion if there is a debate, it's over Curtis Martin. He was great with the Pats and had a great NFL career, but is three years enough to get you in a team's HoF? Martin does rank 4th all-time in career rushing yardage with the Pats. Same question holds for Corey Dillon, who was also a Patriot for only three years - but is third in franchise history for rushing touchdowns.



    It's unfortunate for guys like Houston Antwine and Jon Morris that they did not get in earlier. They're nominations are fighting a double-edged sword: every year that passes the memory of them grows dimmer, plus with each passing year they are up against younger players such as Bledsoe, Francis and Martin that fans and the media have a much better memory of watching and having seen them play.
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    Houston Antwine was a MAN and a great Patriot

    Morris was a solid rock at center for years ..a player I was proud to root for

    Curtis Martin is scum..he's a proud former Jet...let them enshrine him in their Hall Of Losers

    Parcells was a mercenary...he's already in the Giant HOF..that's good enough

    Is Grogs in the Hall?..if not, he goes in before Bledsoe

    JMO FWIW
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    well... I realise Bledsoe should get in because of what he did for the franchise from 93-97... but how bout guys like Daryll stingley, irving fryer , ray clayborn, russ francis, they deserve to be in before the guy that threw away more games then he won... i love drew, but ......
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    ยป John Hannah (1991)
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    Grogs is in...yeah, Clayborn for sure as well as Russ...jeezus, how is Russ NOT in the HOF???
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    Oh well, makes a great trivia question.

    What 11 year Patriot player is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame for his career accomplishments, but not in the Patriots Hall of Fame?
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    The Pats only have 4 HOF'ers and they're all in the Pats HOF too...is this a trick question?
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    He wasn't inducted, but he is on the plaque in the Hall of Fame as a member of the all time AFL team.

    ...I know, I talked to the curator. ;)

    The only other Patriot on that 1st team in Buoniconti, who is Pats HOF, all AFL and PF HOF.

    Morris made 2nd team.

    Curiously, Dee and Jim Lee Hunt are in the Pats HOF when Antwine was the best (of a good lot) lineman. Hunt actually has his jersey retired even though he plays the same position as Antwine and did not even make 2nd team all AFL. I imagine he went in to politics after his career.

    Larry Eisenhauer probably deserves it as much as them too, but that's a quibble, Antwine was the best.
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    The thing is, I just can't bring myself to even consider Parcells in the Patriots HOF. I was thrilled with what he did for the team, but I will go to my grave convinced we lost the Superbowl because of his actions with the Jets. His heart wasn't in it anymore, he was pissed off at Kraft and then his actions afterward were incredibly disrespectful to both the players, owner and fan base.

    Yes, you will never get ahead in football without an ego as big or bigger then your skill set(s), but an honorable man doesn't act like he did at the end.

    Recognition in the HOF is for those who put the team ahead of themselves, who rose above the "me" and made it all about the "us". Parcells isn't one of those types to me. He's done great things for football, and the PF HOF can recognize him for those. However, here in Patriots Nation, I still taste vinegar when I see pics of him wearing the team colors.

    Other's mileage and opinions will vary, I know, but that's how I see it.

    respects,
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    I'd strongly get behind a fan-backed initiative to have Beldsoe, Parcells, AND Bob Kraft (in the Contributor category) go into the Hall of Fame together on the First Ballot.

    The arguments of who is most responsible for turning the franchise around are almost irrelevant. All three deserve to be in the Hall of Fame, and it would be most fitting if all three went in together.
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    Mike Holovak is the only retired coach who definitely should be in. I can see pro and con for Parcells. He and Berry had one Super Bowl visit.
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    Vinatieri will be a no-brainer when it's his turn.
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    In all fairness, that's like saying that players should be in the HoF based on the number of Super Bowl wins.

    The fact is that Parcells and Bledsoe - much more so than Berry or any other QB aside from Tom Brady - played a significant role in turning a franchise around to build a foundation for the current dynasty.

    Ulimtately most fans can agree that Parcells, Bledsoe and Kraft all deserve credit for that - hence, I think all three of them should be inducted together.
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    No Julius Adams?
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    Fairbanks did as much or more to turn a franchise around, how about him?

    The biggest thing he did to turn the franchise around was probably to grate on Belichick enough so he broke his contract. I don't see anyone proposing Pete Carroll for the hall based on the team he inherited from Parcells.

    Don't get me wrong, Parcells deserves to be in the pro football hall of fame, but having a few good drafts and riding a #1 overall pick to one SB appearance which he torpedoed through his own petulance, openly looking for jobs Pre Super bowl puts him in the patriots category of Berry and Fairbanks IMO.
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    What Joe is refering to is a franchise with 20,000 or so season ticket holders went to one that has 60,000+ and 50,000 give or take on a waiting list when Drew, Parcells, and Kraft showed up and has stayed that way since.
    Love em or hate em all three were very influencial to this franchise. IMO enough so they should all be in the hall. Right now Drew should be first. Then a bunch of Dynasty guys come up and then at some point in the futue Parcells should get in.
    Kraft belongs in but that will probably wait too as it would be weird to put himself in.
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    This isn't meant to disparage Fairbanks or anyone else.

    If Parcells and Bledsoe are eligible they should go in on the first ballot.

    The fact that Bob Kraft isn't in the Patriots HoF is a travesty in itself - the only reason he's not in now is because he has a degree of humility.

    But each of these three people played a role in turning a laughingstock organization on the verge of bankruptcy at best and a move to some other city at worst, into a very credible organization that Belichick continues today

    Parcell's jilt and distraction in the Super Bowl were not his finest moment - but we eventually got 3 Super Bowls in part due to the solid foundation he left
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    I'm a big Parcells fan. Sure his name recognition helped the team, he also hurt the team. Had Mike Holovak not taken over when he did, there might not be a team.

    Parcells had the top overall pick and three #2's in 93 and the 4th overall in 94. what turned the franchise around was his name because he won 2 SBs in NY.

    The popularity contests are a joke anyway. Parcells is one of the five best coaches overall, sort them as you like. He was a .500 coach.

    You've decided that era is the only important thing, so vote for him.
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    So because of Zeke Mowatt the Patriots hit rock bottom leading to Belichick et al he should be enshrined. :D

    Just food for thought that makes you want to vomit ideas.
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    Looking at this 4 year snapshot of team records...and I bet you could find dozens of coaches with similar 4 year spans. And how many of these dozens of coaches came into their jobs with a franchise QB waiting to be picked at #1.

    I find it puzzling that this guy gets so much credit for "setting up" the team with a foundation for its future despite , in his own words, not being able to "shop for the groceries". He basically said, "my responsibilities don't include roster creation."
    Now I'm not naive enough to think that he never put his stamp on that team, but forgive me for celebrating a .500 coach that torpedoed his team's most important game in a decade, escaped to the hated rival, and eventually stole away the Patriots stud RB.

    Besides, there is NO WAY Bob Kraft allows Parcell's name to hang on his stadium

    As far as Curtis Martin goes...he had a hell of a 3 year run...but he is a Jet...no arguements, no need to ENSHRINE him as a Pat. He wanted to be with the Chef...so be it.

    Bledsoe...definitely. His career may not have turned out as we had hoped, but the man put on a show most every Sunday and the Patriots became exciting because of his arm, not because Fat Tuna was on the sideline. Bledsoe had that rare ability to put the team on his back and singlehandedly change the outcome. Though many will disagree with me, I maintain that the new stadium was the "House that Drew Built" even though he didn't stick around to play on that field.

    Since we are arguing/discussing the merits of the mid/late 90's players/coaches, I would say that many great players from this era will be eligible soon and there is no pressing need to include short timers or mercenary coaches.
    The Pats Hall should celebrate the staples of this era who created the foundation for the amazing years to follow
    Be patient and reward true Patriots:
    Troy Brown
    Willie McGinest
    Teddy Bruschi
    Ty Law
    Adam Vinatieri
    ?(Armstong, Coates, Milloy, Ted Johnson)?
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    That's pretty much where this is headed, isn't it.

    Look, I remember hearing on the radio they hired Bill Parcells. They might as well have said Vince Lombardi. But taking a job and having a reputation based on your work elsewhere isn't usually what someone gets into a team HOF for.

    You get into the HOF because your friends are running it, or you're recent and most fans don't remember past a few years, or you play a flashy position or are press worthy.

    [oops, I lapsed into the truth there]

    So anyway, just vote in Parcells because he gave birth to Belichick and vote in every Patriot since 2001, because we never had any good teams or players between 1975-85 and certainly not in the 60s.

    Danny Woodhead for HOF, we'll waive the 5 year wait.:D
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    Just imagine what it would have been like if Kraft had not driven Parcells away.
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