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  1. RhodyPatriot

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    Don't know if they'll set records like the '07 group but this years passing attack looks like the best we've ever seen here in New England.
    Put Moss, Welker, Edelman, Hernandez and Gronkowski on the field/in the red zone.
    NO ONE is stopping this offense this year. NOBODY!
    (Pssst, this defense is also going to be much better with a Spikes/Mayo combo at the heart of it
    This is going to be a really fun team to watch and they're going to win a lot of games.
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    Amazing that we can get this type of persepective after the first preseason game.
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    Calm down! :D It was only the first preseason game!
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    Yeah, I applaud the enthusiasm. To me, it's so refreshing that we can get excited about our team. However, the first two who responded are right . . . it was just one preseason game. I'm sure there is plenty BB wasn't happy with and the team has tons more work to do.
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    Believe me, I'm plenty of excited about the performance last night. But I've told myself to temper my enthusiasm. There's a lot that can change from last night to week one.
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    Actually Kon I was saying this BEFORE the 1st pre-season game.
    Going to be an awesome passing line-up. Brady has never has a Dallas Clark type to throw to. He does now in Hernandez and apparently Tom has been spending a lot of time mentoring this rookie. Tom bonds quickly with those he sees as definite impact players on his offense. Did the same with Deion Branch. In addition when is the last time Brady has a traditional TE to throw to? This kid Gronkowski is big and tough and catches the ball in traffic
    We know what Brady, Moss, Welker and Edelman bring. Now add these two kids into the mix.
    This is going to be an unstoppable offense.
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    Kontra, you're preaching to someone in your choir.lol I am all about tempering expectations . . . to the point that I've been criticized by others on here and in person. It's hard NOT to be excited about what we saw last night, but I agree with you 100 percent.
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    If you are looking at the WHOLE picture then you are correct.....But if you break it down then there is a lot to get excited about.....

    I look at the things like Spikes being in the right positions and making plays....This is something that especially in a complicated defensive scheme doesn't happen this quickly for a rookie.....I am not saying 100% of the time he was right but most of the time he was.....
    Our defense was more physical and actually collapsed the pocket on brees....This is something that all of us say we need is some pass rush....
    Our defense didn't miss tackles.....This isn't something learned over time but more desire and technique to tackle the guy....It shows that our defense is ready to make some plays.....
    Our Offense was actually running the ball and our O-line played well.....And Brady well he looks to be brady again.....


    I could go on but you probably saw for yourself the things I am mentioning....As a whole 16 game season + playoffs, yes it is good to temper your emotions and projections of this team but it is also something to get excited about that this YOUNG team is grasping some of the little things this early.....We all know how these LITTLE things can win or lose you a game.....It looks right now like BB is getting the team prepared physically and mentally to go out and win......
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    Forget last night. (I didn't even see the game) You already know what Brady, Moss, Welker and Edelman bring to the table. Now add a legit Dallas Clark type (1st round draft pick who fell to the 2nd round because he had one too many pot brownies in college) in Aaron Hernandez and add a 6' 6" traditional TE red zone nightmare into the mix.
    This offense is going to be awesome
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    AH was a 4th rounder!!


    Gronk is the 2nd round TE :)
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    The Saints seemed like they wanted to go home last night, especially on defense.

    I have high expectations for this offense and defense, but only regular season performance really matters. Ive seen plenty of teams tear up the pre season only to struggle when the real bullets begin to fly.

    If guys like Tate, Hernandez, Chung, Connolly,Spikes, McCourty ... can play consistently good, then the Pats will have a chance to be playing in Dallas next February.
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    And you posted that even before they traded for Moss, but I think most of us were optimistic about the offense at this point. I for one was very happy about the O line last night. I was expecting them to get destroyed, but they played pretty well.
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    Funnily enough what excited me the most was the three tight end sets.
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    The hype on Hernandez is out of control. The Patriots haven't had a TE have success in quite awhile, and I can't even remember a TE who could run have success with them SINCE RUSS FRANCIS!!! Ben Coates was a big immovable lug.

    Even last night, Hernandez was not often lead downfield, but was doing typical TE stuff, fighting for position, running possession routes. Yes, Hoyer hit him on that beauty 20 yards downfield, and that's what the team needs. But until I see the Patriots O better utilize the TE position, the kid's talent will go into an incubator.

    Dave Thomas looks better as a Saint than he did as a Patriot.
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    You gotta be kidding me....

    I'm optimistic with what I saw last night, but it's the first preseason game. The Saints D did not scheme, our offense had one good drive and we showed last year that our problems occurred after halftime when defenses had time to make an adjustment.

    I'm optimistic about our young talents, but this is over reacting.

    By all means though, I hope you are right.
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    lol,agreed completely. Hernandez has done a bit to make a name for himself in training camp and his first preseason game. But the comparisons to Dallas Clark are a little premature at this point. Clark has spent years in the nfl getting to the top of the te class. As good as it is to have a player like Hernandez I think it will take a little more time to develop. Yes I want him to be a rookie sensation just like the next fan, but like Kon I am going to temper my expectations for now.
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    Now we just need a running game and we'll be UNSTOPPABLE. NO ONE will stop this offense. NOBODY!
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    I knew I would come home and see atleast one of these threads started. It is way too early to be making statements like this. I actually thought Hernandez struggled a little bit. He didnt do anything when he was playing with the first unit. He played better when he went against the Saints 2nd unit. I am not saying he isn't a good player or that he won't have a good year. I just think he is getting a little too much hype.

    Edelman continues to amaze me every game he plays. He is so shifty and always seems to makes guys miss. It would be nice to get him the ball in space and see what happens. I don't know how he will fit in to the offense, whether he is the 3rd WR or just a 4th WR and Welker backup. Tate I think is the #3 WR, I expect a big season from him. It will be interesting to see who the last WR spots go to. I would think it's a battle between Price and Holt. Aiken I see being on the team because of his role on ST.

    I think with the additions of 3 TE's and some new WRs this offense will definitely be better than 2009, especially in the red zone, but I think it is way to early to be calling them unstoppable.
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    I need to see this OL put together a few more impressive outings before I get as excited as you. If they start to fall apart, it doesn't matter if you add Andre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald to our offense it'll still be like last year's 2nd half go to sleep and pray the defense holds the lead offense. Not only the current OL but what about when the inevitable Neal injury occurs and we struggle to replace his presense. We need more assurance on that interior OL before we can expect an offense even as good as 2004.

    As far as the new reciever set I do share your optimism. I think the Pats came prepared to enter this year with not only a promising 3rd option in Tate but even further depth behind him. Last year they struck out on Galloway but the real problem IMO was not having that plan B as Tate was knowingly injured. This year we got Holt and Price who are way better than Aiken. So far so good on that, but again as several pointed out you need more than one impressive night.

    I'm also happy about the playcalling and the new smashmouth approach. As I said before I want to see as little spread offense as possible this year, maybe in the 2 minute offense and situations where our offense is out of sync, needs to throw in a wrinkle. I hate it when we come off a well executed, well balanced drive like the opening drive in the NO game last year then follow it up with a 5 wide to start the next drive.
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    Some points are valid, others not so much...

    It is way too early to even think about calling the offense "unstoppable" because guys that you are counting on haven't proven anything yet. You are depending on 2 rookie TEs in Gronk and Hernandez. Then a Tate who is in his 2nd year, but didn't play much at all last season. You cannot count on guys who haven't done anything in the league to this point.

    You seem big on the passing game, but that is what we have done year after year, is be a pass heavy offense. I think we need to use the running game more to set up the pass. Play action to set up the pass to our WRs and TEs could be very successful. IMO we have 5 solid RBs and they should be used more than they have been. Using them more could make our other offensive positions even better.

    I think the red zone offensive will be a lot better this season. BB has spent a lot more time in this area during training camp. I think BB will run the ball more in the red zone and look for the TEs. I have no problem with running the ball in the red zone, it can set up a nice play action to one of our TEs.

    The 2010 offensive has the potential to be a pretty solid group, but nothing can really be certain now and they are far from unstoppable.
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    Preseason doesn't mean squat. I worry when we do too well in the preseason.
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    I really don't think 2007 is going to happen again and if it does, I will be very happy to come back here and eat crow.

    In '07 we had the perfect storm- most people thought Moss was washed out and didn't think he would amount to much here, and nobody knew how much Welker would erupt, and most importantly, we completely surprised everyone by going to the spread. It was only the last quarter of the season when teams figured out how to scheme against the spread.

    This year is promising- but Gronk and Hernandez have a lot of work ahead of them. Gronk whiffed on a few blocks and so did Hernandez, he whiffed so bad on a goal line block that it effectively negated a Maroney TD, last night.

    My one worry about Hernandez is that he plays with a sense of entitlement (someone else said this, perhaps Reiss) and is overtly emotional when things don't go his way. If he keeps up like this, opponents will key on it to take him out of plays, similar to giving Moss a good whack at the LOS to make him quit on plays.

    We also don't know how Welker will function at true game speed. He performed pretty well in preseason and in the scrimmages I saw, but there were no live tackling, no jam, and no bump and run.

    There are a number of intangibles that have to be resolved before we get too excited.

    However, I am more excited about the defense than the offense. I liked what I saw there. I predicted at least 12-4 and I'm sticking with that.
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    it was preseason and the saints did not overload blitz on Dan Connolly, side if they can keep brady on he's feet then he will throw for a lot of yards
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    The only way this offense becomes "unstoppable" is if they can actually run the ball to convert third and fourth and shorts. No more of the quick outs to Kevin Faulk out of the backfield (4th and 2) or short passes over the middle to Welker. This team needs to be able to line up with three tight ends and run the ball for 1 or 2 yards when they absolutely have to do so.
    How many times during the Super Bowl years (pains me to say it that way, but we're six seasons removed from the last title) did they line up with two tight ends plus an offensive lineman eligible and proceed to run Antowain Smith or Corey Dillon up the gut for 2 1/2 yards on third or fourth and two. Last year we saw too much of Sammy Morris getting stuffed at the line or Brady throwing incompletions or short of the marker.
    Last night I saw some encouraging things, and I REALLY liked seeing Brady pass from UNDER CENTER more than in recent years. I don't want the 2007 offense; I want to see the efficient, blood thirsty offense of "The Super Bowl years" that could eat 7, 8, or 9 minutes off the clock almost at will. Those offenses moved the chains with fantastic efficiency.
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    Truth. Remember the 08 season when Brady went down, that was one of the worst preseasons I have ever witnessed by the Patriots. Then the team, and Cassel actually put together a good season considering the loss of Brady.
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