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Patriots will make final decision on Derrick Burgess within a week

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    Per Rotoworld and also ESPNboston.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/bostonnew-e.../id/4676519/decision-on-burgess-within-a-week
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    That's good. He may not have been a game-breaker but he's better than nothing.
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    you should be his agent.
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    Of course you'd sign him for that money. Even if he has little market value, we have hopes and dreams playing linebacker right now.

    Personally, if that's really the offer, I think he goes elsewhere, unless there's absolutely no interest.
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    he was improving towards the end...why not keep him? see how much he improves? and if it only costs so much anyways

    this deal still has room to become successful
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    LOL, that's not exactly saying much. We should try to retain him for $1M per year, but we should also be looking for someone who can actually make an impact at least once in a season at the position who can start in front of him and either keep him for depth or cut him in training camp once we find said person. I have no idea whether or not Crable is that guy, but I doubt it.

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    Concur, and congrats on the post count. You always seem to have something good to contribute, and that's always welcome around these parts. :)

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    I'd like to see the Patriots resign him. I still remember being there at training camp for his first day with the Pats. His speed off the edge really stood out. He improved throughout the year, which impressed me, especially considering how little time he had to learn the scheme before the season. He may not be an all-pro, but I think he's worth resigning, particularly since we'll probably draft a rookie OLB this year and will need a veteran bridge.
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    I agree. As long as the money seems reasonable, they should make the attempt.

    Signing him b/c the team gave up a 3rd & 5th doesn't make total sense if he stunk.
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    He did have 3 sacks in the last 4 regular season games. Could it be that the Lategate ordeal got to him and made him more effective? If so, I'd love to see him play a whole season that motivated.
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    I'm actually kind of ashamed about my post count. However, if I were to guesstimate, I would say that roughly 8,000 - 8,500 of my posts have come when I've been at work. And yes, my job is extremely slack.
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    What a shame, can you imagine if we had that 3rd and 5th heading into this draft with what we already have? Talk about Chess Board pieces. Oh well, it was bad trade and It is what it is.

    With that said, I don't see anyone else knocking his door down, so I am sure BB will play this out to the end and give him a rock bottom deal to keep a job. Who knows, maybe BB didn't utilize his strengths, maybe it was the system, but hard to believe a guy that had this pass rushing pedigree could lose it THAT quickly.
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    Burgess' pass rushing abilities weren't exactly setting the league on fire in 2008 in Oakland either.
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    We at least could use the depth. Still need to draft a young pass rusher though.
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    He is a situational player.
    He plays DE in sub packages, or if we line up in a 43.
    Lets stop lumping him in the category of OLB, he simply doesnt play that position.
    He really doesnt have a position in the 34, but in sub packages he plays the spot that the OLBs do.....DE.
    I can think of a lot worse ways to use a roster spot than to have a guy with a decent track record as a pass rusher who will play up to the 50% of the time we play from nickel or dime.
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    Well we could have used those picks on developmental OLB's and watched them bust over 2-3 years rather than one.
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    OR used that key 3rd round pick combined with one of our 2's to move up for a key player. It was a chip that we could have used in April and it's gone. Bad deal all around, no way to sugar coat it.
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    Well that moves him away from the thread about nothing then.
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    It was a bad deal but you guys need to move on. We traded a #3 and #5. But we also got two extra #2s through the trade downs. And while the Brace pick looks iffy, the Butler pick looks rock solid. You aren't going to win every trade and you can't beat yourself up over every bad one.
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    I hope we re-sign him for cheap money. He could really help out tuturing our OLB draft pick this year. I think he starts and plays a lot the first half the year and then slowing we let the rook develop and get more PT every week instead of just throwing him into the fire. I really hope we take one of these guys in the draft if not two of them: Graham, Hughes, Kindle, Sapp, Misi, or Worilds.
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    The RIDDLER makes a good point again. 3rd and 5th for this stiff is just painful. You can get good players in the 3rd round or even the 5th. We got a one year rental on a stiff.

    He should offer to play for free after robbing us last year.
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    You can when they were obvious, as this one was.
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    On balance our draft choice trades last year were very good. The trade for Burgess was met about 50-50 on the thread back then - to your credit you said it was terrible back then so you aren't just saying that now.
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    I truly think we will be looking DE in this year's first round. Burgess would be the perfect stop gap at hopefully the cheapest contract possible which may be why it's taken this long to resign him.
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    I'll sign Burgess for the vet minimum, no bonuses, for one year...and not one effin penny more.

    That trade stunk the microsecond it was announced, as did the drafting of Brace instead of Connor Barwin, who I feel would've given us just as many sacks - if not more - than Burgess did.
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    I suspect that we will sign Burgess. The cost, if we decide to cut him in camp, will be small. The reality is that we can talk about the prospects of Richard or Grady (our current replacements for Green and Burgess) if we wish.

    The reality is that, we have at least three front seven positions to be filled: the positions held last year by Green, Burgess and Thomas. Five replacements would be better (also replacing Crable and Alexander).

    We could go with one fewer front seven player, but I would prefer 16
    5 DL (need one to replace Green)
    2 DE/OLB's (need Burgess or replacement)
    4 ILB's (could use one instead of Alexander)
    5 OLB's (need one to replace Thomas and hopefully one to replace Crable, Woods or Ninko)

    I expect 2-4 rooks in the 16, added to Brace and Pryor from last year.
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    Burgess, Lewis, Smith, Hobbs.... I'm not sure where the good draft choice trades you're talking about were, but that's four bad trades right there. With four like that, I don't see how you deem the balance to be very good, so I'm probably looking at a different trade picture than you seem to be. Are you talking about the general shifting about as opposed to the players for picks?*





    * In the interest of full disclosure, while I didn't like the Hobbs trade because of the potential downside (which we saw during the season), and said so, I did also say that I understood the trade.
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    Yeah, the trades down which got us Butler (who I wanted in the 1st anyway) plus the two seconds this year (though thirds) and Edelman. Hobbs I could go either way with as he was an upcoming mediocre UFA, the others were bad but involved lesser draft picks.

    The trade for Burgess and the pick of Brace are looking bad. The rest is fairly inconsequential to me and getting Edelman and two extra #2s this year more than makes up for it especially as Brace isn't a definite lost cause just yet.
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    OK, I see where you're coming from. I'm not sure I agree with your conclusion, but that's largely because I was separating player trades from maneuvering trades. I do think we both agree that the players taken with the picks were a solid group of prospects, no matter how it all turns out in a few more years.
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    Yeah, I'm basically looking at trading a 3rd (Burgess), 5th (Burgess), 5th (Smith), and LeKevin Smith (completing the Burgess deal) and ending up with two #2s and Edelman (I think that's how the trade downs worked out). That combination of good and bad is on the positive side of the ledger for us even if Burgess leaves for nothing.

    We still have the questionable looking pick of Brace but that's a separate issue and overall I think we are all happy with how our picks looked from last year. But, yeah, the straight "pick for player" deals couldn't have been much worse.
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