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  1. p-funkfan412

    p-funkfan412 Rookie

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    Someone made the argument today that the Patriots are like the Tennessee Volunteers in being a once-proud organization that just isn't getting it done anymore or Clemson in that when they make it to a big game, the fall on their face.

    On the other hand, he said, the Baltimore Ravens are sort of like the South Carolina Game****s -- strong defenses and improving offenses that are close to breaking through.

    Kind of hard to argue with.
     
  2. Ron Sellers

    Ron Sellers 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    Alright I'll play along - although I am 99% sure you are a Ravens fan trolling. I'm guessing the someone that made that argument was you.


    Actually it's extremely easy to argue with - and that's before reminding him of the final score of last season's AFCCG (Patriots 23, Ravens 20), or the all-time record between the two clubs (Patriots 7, Ravens 1: a .875 winning percentage).

    First, let's look at where Tennessee was and where they have been recently. At the height of their success they went 11-1, 10-2, 11-2 and 13-0 from 1995-98, finishing 2nd, 9th, 8th and 1st in the final rankings. The last four years they went 5-7, 7-6, 6-7 and 5-7, unranked (i.e., lower than 25th) each of those years.

    Now let's do the same comparison with the Patriots. At the height of their success they went 11-5, 9-7, 14-2, 14-2; 1st, missed playoffs, 1st, 1st. The last four years they went 11-5, 10-6, 14-2, 13-3. If you want to use draft position as a correlation to NCAA rankings they finished 10th, 11th, 5th and 2nd.

    I fail to see any connection. Though the 2001-04 Patriots out-preformed the 2008-12 Patriots, there is no comparison to the drop in performance with Tennesee from 1995-98 to 2008-12.



    Now let's look at the alleged 'upswing' of the Ravens, starting with the franchise's most successful year ever.

    • 2001: 12-4 (Super Bowl)
    • 2002: down to 10-6 (lost in division round)
    • 2003: again 10-6 (lost in wild card round)
    • 2004: down to 9-7 (missed playoffs)
    • 2005: down to 6-10 (missed playoffs)
    • 2006: up to 13-3 (lost 1st playoff game)
    • 2007: down to 5-11 (missed playoffs)
    • 2008: up to 11-5 (lost in AFCCG)
    • 2009: down to 9-7 (lost in division round)
    • 2010: up to 12-4; 1st in AFCN (lost in division round)
    • 2011: again 12-4; 1st in AFCN (lost in AFCCG)


    I suppose if you consider going from alternating winning season with losing seasons to being able to put together four consecutive winning seasons together being on the upswing then yes, the Ravens are on the upswing.


    Now let's compare the two teams head-to-head for the past year, the last two years, etc.

    • 2011: Pats 13-3, advanced to SB; Ravens 12-4, lost to Pats
    • 2010-11: Pats 27-5; Ravens 24-8
    • 2009-11: Pats 37-11; Ravens 33-15
    • 2008-11: Pats 48-16; Ravens 44-20
    • 2007-11: Pats 64-16; Ravens 49-31



    As for the final comment about "when they make it to a big game, the fall on their face", do I really need to remind you about Wide Left?

    Every game that is an elimination game is a big game - not just the championship games. You don't get to the final game without winning big games along the way.



    The front office of the Ravens has done an excellent job in assembling one of the best rosters in the NFL; I admire and respect Ozzie Newsome for what he has accomplished with this team.

    But please, spare me with this passive aggressive trolling act.
     
  3. Ron Sellers

    Ron Sellers 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    Apologies to all Ravens fans; I was incorrect in my assessment of who this person represented. Obviously it is a Steeler fan as 412 is the area code for Pittsburgh, and the first initial in the screen name also represents the city of Pittsburgh which would be where he is from.





    Unfortunately all p-funk accomplished was to embarrass yourself, and reinforce the negative stereotype your fan base with some cowardly hit and run away commentary. It is highly ironic that you speak glowingly about the Ravens, a division rival that Steeler fans supposedly loathe; I cannot imagine fans of the Patriots doing the same in regards to the Jets.

    Perhaps after the two losses to the Ravens by a combined score of 58-27 last year, and watching them win the division and earn a first round bye while your team couldn't beat a one-dimensional 8-8 team in the playoffs has caused you to quickly abandon ship and waive the white flag. I would think after that you would want to fight back and recapture the division, but it looks like you're already willing to give up and concede to your arch rivals.

    Apparently you agree with so many football experts that the Steelers are headed for a downfall and some rebuilding (i.e., non-playoff) years after the team collectively grew old and slow on defense, and years of a porous offensive line have ruined your running game as well as your quarterback's health.




    If you stuck around you could learn something from some of your fellow Steeler fans that frequent this site on a regular basis, learn about the game of football, and find out that having intelligent debates with fans of rival teams is not only possible, but can be interesting and a lot of fun. But instead you prefer to resort to immature trolling, while cowardly pretending to be something you are not.


    Take your original statement and replace the word Patriots with the word Steelers; I think that may paint a more accurate picture for you.





    No response p-funk?
     
  4. Buddylove

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    Maybe you should be worrying about that defense that was ranked #1 in the regular season then gave up 316 yards passing to Tim Tebow. Once thats done go under a bridge in Pittsburgh and when you see some drugged out bum he was most likely a 1970's steelers player.
     

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