Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by SVN, Dec 21, 2008.
behind saints as per mort. Thats remarkable without brady..isnt it ??
shows that cassel is not that FAR off from brady...
now we prob would have set a NEW scoring record this season w/ brady...but cassel, in his first year as starter, is doing damn good
and it also shows that there is one hell of a supporting offense here as well
I think two favorite whipping boys on this board (well one is former) deserve a lot of credit for this. Both Cassel and McDaniels deserve a lot of props for this. Cassel has been playing near Bradylike the last month or two. People said this year would be the true test for McDaniels, more so than last year, and it seems pretty clear he passed with flying colors. The sad thing is that we may find out next year how much the guy really meant to this team.
Yes especially in light of it took Cassel a few games to even look like maybe he had a chance.
Exactly. Ironically, the reason the record has fallen off isnt because of the loss of Brady, its mostly because of the falloff of the defense and special teams. Thats a credit to Cassel and McDaniel. As ive said, only the Colts loss might have been different with Brady. The other 4 not at all.
And lets give a little credit to Bill Belichick, who once again, has the Patriots playing there best football in December. If they pound the Bills next week and get in as the #3, tell me, what team would want to play them???
It shows just how good our offense was last year that we're losing 10 PPG and are still that high up. I think the deterioration of Moss and our O-line has been greatly exaggerated.
Well, Belichick obviously gets tons of credit. But he is getting a heaping share everywhere for this season. It is time for other guys to get the spotlight they deserve. Besides, Belichick gives McDaniels almost complete autonomy on gamedays and many times doesn't even watch the offense.
BTW, a lot of guys deserve huge helpings of credit including Welker, Faulk, Morris, Moss, the o-line, Jordan, Gaffney, etc.
The offense has come aroung. 48 against Miami was impressive. Otherwise, great year for the Patriots to play a lot of weak teams, just what Cassell needed to gain confidence.
That is amazing. I had to check for myself, because it wasn't that long ago that they were 3rd or 4th in their division in terms of points for.
Semi-OT, but it's scary to think this time last year, the Pats had 551 points.
The Pats have been scoring a lot of points lately, and Cassel's back to back 400 yard games are certainly part of the picture for the offense. BTW against Arizona we got to see what a HEALTHY tandem of Morris and Jordan can do. It was pretty sweet The offense is starting to click on all cylinders now. The real question is, if we can make the playoffs, can our offense stay as productive against the tougher defenses like the Steelers and Titans?
Imagine how the Pats would be if they didn't have a Cassel learning curve or o-line issues earlier in the season. The Pats might have come close to last year's offensive performance.
I remember when John Clayton said that the Pats wouldn't even average 17 PPG with Cassel at the helm.
our first half against the steeler was very good, until the melt down in the 2nd half. If the patriots make it into the playoffs, they will be a very dangerous team.
That is an incredible stat.
Cassel has been very impressive, but he's very, very far off from Brady. We'd easily be leading the league in scoring if all you did was turn all the wasted red zone opportunities into touchdowns, which is where Brady is the most undervalued. He's so good in the red zone we don't really appreciate it, and it's still Cassel's biggest weakness.
That said, whoever Cassel is playing for next will be getting a very good quarterback, and it's a terrific testament to the surrounding talent and the incredible system put in place by Belichick and company.
What everyone on this thread saying is everyone thinks Brady makes no difference. I guess you are all saying to trade Brady and keep Cassel. Your comments are saying this.
It seems as if the OL, while they have the occasionally stinker of a game as pass blockers, were actually underrated as run blockers.
This is interesting. I was wondering whether or not we were up there but it appears we are. If our offense can continue on like this and channel 2007 and the defense (specifically the pass rush) can finish out the year like they did today, we can make some noise if we get into the playoffs.
I haven't listened to that a$$h0le since they stopped wearing leather helmets....
Actually, no one is saying that - in this thread.
It's an amazing stat. The difference between Cassel in preseason to Cassel now is astounding ! I think our running game is way more balanced than last year too.....Five guys with at least 250 yards rushing (Morris, Faulk, Jordan, BJGE & Cassel) is a big difference from last year. We are a top 10 rushing team (#7 currently).
Absent a missed call and two inexpliciable drops, the Pats would have been up 23-31 to 10 against the Steelers.
Can't make mistakes though. I just goes to show we have little margin for error when we play the practice squad against the NFL "elite".
All the more reason why BB needs to continue poring resources into his defense.
two year's ago, the defense could not get off the field against Indy, last season we broke a gazillion offensive records, but could not get off the field against the Gaints, and this year, we have the second highest scoring offense in the NFL and need major help just to make the playoffs!!!!!
Defense wins championships.
Felger waas going off on this all morning today. Bringing up all the non-starters in the 2006 draft, (all offense) and once again crying about Samuel. It was classic Felger tho, in that he selectively omitted such facts as AD and Rodney going down, and Wheatley and James Sanders, and finally Pierre Woods as well. That's about 60% of our projected QB pressure and our rookie Starting LCB from mid-season on. So, now we have Wilhite, our projected nickel back playing LCB and Lewis Sanders doing a decent job at safety. Merriweather is coming along nicely, and while he doesn't pack the punch Rodney did, he's faster and is developing blitz skills.
Felger talked for an hour and didn't mention AD once. IMO, we don't fully understand nor appreciate what this guy will be able to do for this team. Last year, he had to play MLB until the end of the year, and his pass-rush finally started to show up in the play-offs. Then, he broke his arm early this season. While valuable experience was gained by Woods until he went down, nothing could have replaced the pressure AD and Vrabel would have brought had he stayed healthy. Look at the decrease in sacks for Vrabel, without a threat on the other side.
I'm very excited about the rookies and 2nd, 3rd yr guys on this LB corps. I feel like I can finally stop watching the Waiver wire and wondering what retread BB will pick up . Our future is here with these guys.
Finally, I do have to agree with Felger about the CB position. While I'm not in favor of paying someone so much nobody will throw at him, as many top CB's think it works, we do need someone a little more solid. Someone mentioned Asomogough (sp?) but if Al lets him get away to the Pats, they really will have to lock him up. (Al, that is.) I'm not real worried about the middle, as IMO, as soon as Mayo and Guyton are established in there , It'll take care of itself. The safeties will be adequate as soon as their communication matures. It's the CB's.
I can't speak for others, but I ain't. Cassel can be a great QB in this offense, but Brady is a special player that comes around once or twice a generation. I think that if Brady was leading the offense, the Pats would have locked up the division weeks ago and might be playing for HFA throughout the playoffs this weekend rather than a playoff spot.
There are still a lot of things that Cassel cannot do what Brady can. Brady still has far better pocket prescence, can read defenses better, and goes through his progressions faster. He also has more touch on his long passes.
I already had a thread on this... they are the THIRD highest behind the Saints and Giants.
Re: THIRD Highest
Well, at the time this thread was started, they were second. It was before the Giants game last night.
3rd i think now
Yes, the running game is actually doing better than the passing game. Before we give all the credit to Cassel you have to respect what the Pats have been able to do this year on the ground now that they are finally using their RBs.
I actually think that although Brady is a better QB; the offense as a whole may be better off this year as a result of not having him.
they got so used to brady last year that they made themselves one dimensional. They passed so much that the OL almost literally 'forgot how to run block'. Then they got themselves tore up by the giants and couldn't switch gears to take advantage of them just going 100% after the passing game.
This year they had to run the ball and provide more balance which generates more synergy and a more efficient passing game. run game - Like anything gets better with practice and atrophies from disuse.
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