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  1. Miguel

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    The Pats can spend no more than $4,617,429 on their 2006 draft picks.

    As it stands right now, only the 3 Day 1 picks will displace someone from the Top 51 list so the net impact of signing the 10 draft picks will be much less than $4,617,429 since only the prorated signing bonus amount for the seven Day 2 picks will hit the cap.
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    Good to know. I still expect Donnie Edwards to be suiting up for the Pats this year.
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    If that happens it would sure up our only ? on defense, IMO. The only ?'s remaining would be the WR position (hopefully Caldwell and Jackson get it done) and Place Kicker. Other then that this team is as solid as you can ask for (well, maybe Ty Law).
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    With 17M under the cap and 4.62M max allocated to rookies and 6.66M allocated to Seymour. What are the minimum and maximum amounts available to spend in FA?
    (I mean is the min salary cap 93M? so we have between ?dollars and ?dollars to invest in FA?)
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    My only uneasiness is with LB. I am comfortable with the DBs we have now... Ty Law would be nice, but not necessary.

    I think we are fine at WR, especially given the TEs we have.

    I don't think we are worse off than the average team at K. We had to know that no one was going to give us the warm fuzzy like Adam, but we got a good rookie kicker and a decent vet kicker. We are fine.
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    Do you mean the 3 Day 1 picks will replace 3 of the Top 51? Or ONE of the 3 will replace one of the 51
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    I meant the 3 Day 1 picks but it is likely by mid-July that it will be only two (Maroney and Jackson).
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    That is the gross amount. The net is likely to be in the $1.5 to $2 million range.
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    Miguel - wondering if, in this new cap era and all, you have a feel for what Chad Jackson's contract will be for, and might want to expand on these other issues

    Correct me if I'm wrong but:

    1. The rookie signing cap affects this year's contracts only - teams can stretch out the remainder of the contracts in later years regardless of this year's cap.

    2. By drafting Jackson in the 2nd round rather than the 1st, the Patriots are not bound by the 4 year limit on his rookie contract (I'm guessing they try to get Jackson to sign a 6 year deal, no?)

    3. Assuming Jackson works out as a #2 WR (and that's always a question with rookies) - what is Jackson's cap hit and contract looking like compared to say, David Givens.

    My ultimate point here is that, assuming Jackson is as good as BB & Co. believe, we've got a MONSTER net cap savings over the next 5-6 years ... and that savings can go to address other needs and help keep the dynasty going.
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    He is 33 and has had over 100 tackles a year since his 2nd year. He played in the AFC West, that is not exactly a division isolated from the running game. Look at his production he would be a perfect Patriot!
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    We also need to remember that he played in the 3-4 under phillips, so he has shown the ability that he has the potential to play in our scheme if we want him.
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    donnie would be a welcome addition to the pats.
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    Joe - no player drafted in rounds 2-7 may be signed to a deal longer than 4 years under the new CBA. First rounders can be signed for 5 years and the top 16 picks can be signed for 6 (although there is only 5 years available for amortization in 2006).

    Jackson's contract and cap hit will pretty much look like what player 35 and player 37 get regardless of position since rookie contracts are slotted. That is why they will tend to sign almost in domino effect according to draft order. Chad may get some performance incentives written in as Deion Branch did that will increase his earnings potential in year 4 based on just how well he develops. But perhaps not in the potential $3M range Deion got since he signed a 5 year deal.

    Usually Miguel posts some guesstimates on the day 1 picks contracts based on what the player drafted in that slot last year got. It will be harder to guesstimate this year because of the cap bump, new limits on length of deal and current limit on amortization. Last year we drafted Mankins at 32 and he got a 5 year $6.4M deal. Jackson was drafted at 36 this year.

    Obviously Jackson will get substantially more than Givens got in his 3 year deal as a 7th rounder, but nothing remotely approaching what Givens just got as a FA if that is what what you're driving at. And like Givens he will be a FA after 4 years (albeit without ever being a RFA as Givens was last year in his 4th season).
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    Wait are you saying that there will be no longer RFAs starting with the 2006 draft? Getting Jackson for only 4 years is fine, but don't the Pats get at least top offer a year or 2 after that? And if another team signs they would get compensated a draft pick depending on tender?
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    could this hurt us from being able to sign some of our mid round guys?
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    Thanks for all the clarifying information Mo...

    My ultimate comparison is not between Jackson's rookie contract and Givens rookie contract - but between Jackson's rookie contract and Givens FA contract.

    I'm guessing that the Patriots likely addressed their #2 WR need by spending subtantially less than the $5 mil a year Givens got from the Titans

    That's significant savings and makes a significant difference in what can be spent elsewhere
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    In the old CBA there were limits on how much a draft pick's salary could increase during the contract. I have not heard that the new CBA remove those limits.

    Barrett Rudd was drafted in Jackson's slot last year. I have been unable to find info on his contract.
    Every team who filled in the draft a need caused by a departure of a veteran can say the same thing. Examples - Addai for James, Holmes for ARE, Williams for Stephen Dave
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    No, teams can still sign draft picks to 3-year deals, if they chose to do so.

    Only if the Pats place the franchise tag on Jackson.

    No.
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    RFA's were always only players with 3 years of service whose contract expired. Teams that draft you ultimately control you for up to 4 years via the RFA. Branch signed a 5 year deal - when it's done he will be a UFA without ever being an RFA because he was under contract beyond year 4. Givens signed a 3 year deal. When it was done (after 2004) the team still had the option to tender him as a RFA to retain him for that 4th season (or get the pick that went with his tender from a team that was willing to match that offer). A player like Givens finally saw some compensation relief in that way because his value to us had to be acknowledged by using a mid tender (which carries a 1st round pick as compensation and a 7 figure salary) to ward off suitors as opposed to the low tender which would have allowed any team that wanted him to match for just his standard 6 figure 4th year salary and a 7th round compensation pick compensation in return.

    Apparently the union wanted and got with the new CBA an earlier FA date for those who sometimes got stuck in bad 5 year deals - generally 2nd and 3rd or later rounders who substantially outperformed rookie deals that often included relatively small signing bonuses and 6 figure minimum salaries through year 5. They will all now be free to persue the all important second contract in year 5 as UFA's, and all their team will get if they sign elsewhere is the potential of the formula based comp pick that weighs their performance and the value of the deal they get elsewhere but is offset by comparable FA signings by the team during that off season.
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    Well, yes but there is a difference in drafting a starting OL at 21 - and drafting a staring WR or RB.

    O Linemen are part of a squad and generally don't earn as much as starting RBs and WRs - the premier positions.


    Sure all rookies earn less than FAs but the distinction at a position like OL isn't as great as it is for rookies and FAs playing positions like WR & RB

    In other words - what's the average FA price for starting OL and what's the average FA price for starting WRs

    If the Pats addressed #2 WR with Jackson they saved themselves a TON of money compared to what they were prepared to offer Givens
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    Will this affect Watson? Didn't he sign for 6 years?
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    The new CBA only effects deals that come after it.
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    We will agree on this.

    Because an elite left tackle never actually reach the free agent market, this question is misleading because the top OL are typically left tackles. I am not interested in this to do the research. Please feel free to do so.


    I am not disagreeing with this. I am just opining that the cap savings does not give the Pats any competitive edge since every team saves money when a draft pick replaces a departed free agent.

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