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Ray, I agree he is a diamond in the rough. For various reasons, I have followed the AFC West fairly closely the past few years. IMO, the Chargers thought they got a steal when they selected Martin in the 4th round. Going by just measurable, he appeared to be an unbelievable prospect and he flashes his physical talent at times. I believe the Chargers want him back, but won't go overboard on a contract to keep him. I know the Pats are running more 4-3 now but I believe Martin could play in both a 3-4 or a 4-3. In a 3-4, he can play DE and some NT and in the 4-3 he would be DT. He is very strong against the run but despite his quickness, he gets very little pressure as a pass rusher. I don't know if he just needs to work on technique or what it is. Right now, all he has is a bull rush(very quick and powerful bull rush) If the light ever goes on for him, you are looking at a poor man's Haloti Ngata. A DE in a NT body. If he comes to NE, hopefully their DL coaches can mold him into something. He has an unbelievable amount of physical talent. I just don't know if he will ever reach his potential. He still seems raw after 4years in the league.
On the other hand, there is Tommy Kelly. I am pretty sure his time in Oakland is just about done and he has shown the ability to dominate(when he isn't doing something stupid). If Al Davis never signed TK to a Seymour like contract( I am exaggerating slightly), then I think everyone in Oakland would be happy with TK. Not overjoyed because he has lots of untapped potential also, but still they wouldn't want to drive him to the airport the way they do now. Kelly got the big contract and underperformed and became one of the poster children for the dysfunctional Raiders franchise. I think Reggie McKenzie will right the ship and hopefully Kelly will find a home (in New England for the right price) where they can take advantage of his skills. I know BB always liked him, so hopefully there is a fit there.
IMO, Martin has more potential but is still very raw. Kelly has performed much better in his career but still didn't reach all his potential yet. Either one should be able to give NE a big rotational DL for either the 3-4 or 4-3. Right now Kelly offers more pass rush and Martin is probably better against the run.
That is one reason I thought the Pats ought to look at Matt Shaughnessy before he signed with the Cards. At 285 lbs he is smaller than Kelly or Martin but is very stout against the run and also has shown some decent pass rushing skills (7 sacks in 2010) albeit sporadically.

Do you think he could play the LDE in a 4-3 similar to what Red Bryant does out in Seattle?
 
Ray, I agree he is a diamond in the rough. For various reasons, I have followed the AFC West fairly closely the past few years. IMO, the Chargers thought they got a steal when they selected Martin in the 4th round. Going by just measurable, he appeared to be an unbelievable prospect and he flashes his physical talent at times. I believe the Chargers want him back, but won't go overboard on a contract to keep him. I know the Pats are running more 4-3 now but I believe Martin could play in both a 3-4 or a 4-3. In a 3-4, he can play DE and some NT and in the 4-3 he would be DT. He is very strong against the run but despite his quickness, he gets very little pressure as a pass rusher. I don't know if he just needs to work on technique or what it is. Right now, all he has is a bull rush(very quick and powerful bull rush) If the light ever goes on for him, you are looking at a poor man's Haloti Ngata. A DE in a NT body. If he comes to NE, hopefully their DL coaches can mold him into something. He has an unbelievable amount of physical talent. I just don't know if he will ever reach his potential. He still seems raw after 4years in the league.
On the other hand, there is Tommy Kelly. I am pretty sure his time in Oakland is just about done and he has shown the ability to dominate(when he isn't doing something stupid). If Al Davis never signed TK to a Seymour like contract( I am exaggerating slightly), then I think everyone in Oakland would be happy with TK. Not overjoyed because he has lots of untapped potential also, but still they wouldn't want to drive him to the airport the way they do now. Kelly got the big contract and underperformed and became one of the poster children for the dysfunctional Raiders franchise. I think Reggie McKenzie will right the ship and hopefully Kelly will find a home (in New England for the right price) where they can take advantage of his skills. I know BB always liked him, so hopefully there is a fit there.
IMO, Martin has more potential but is still very raw. Kelly has performed much better in his career but still didn't reach all his potential yet. Either one should be able to give NE a big rotational DL for either the 3-4 or 4-3. Right now Kelly offers more pass rush and Martin is probably better against the run.
That is one reason I thought the Pats ought to look at Matt Shaughnessy before he signed with the Cards. At 285 lbs he is smaller than Kelly or Martin but is very stout against the run and also has shown some decent pass rushing skills (7 sacks in 2010) albeit sporadically.

Ngata
6'4 338
4.99 40
31.5 vertical
37 reps
7.97 cone

Martin
6'4 331
496 40
31 vertical
33 reps
7.28 cone

Very interested when you look at his abilities. He may never develop in a Ngata but he is at least an upgrade over Ron Brace
 
Do you think he could play the LDE in a 4-3 similar to what Red Bryant does out in Seattle?

Vaughn Martin, I think so. Again, he would be very good against the run but not much against the pass. Much like Red Bryant. IMO he is as strong as Bryant but quicker.
 
DT at least when the Pats are in a four man front which is now most of the time. He is 6'4" and 297 lbs.

I think he is a lot heavier than 297. I didn't look it up, even if those are correct, but I would say he is 320 or so.
 
I need some wide receivers signed!

Sky is falling :bricks:
 
Do you think he could play the LDE in a 4-3 similar to what Red Bryant does out in Seattle?

Only in goal-line or short-yardage situations. Otherwise the pash rush, such as it is, will suffer.
 
I think he is a lot heavier than 297. I didn't look it up, even if those are correct, but I would say he is 320 or so.

He weight 331 at his pro day.

I really like the idea of bring him in.

LDE - Armstead 6'5 300
DT - Martin 6'4 331
DT - Wilfork 6'2 325
RDE - Jones 6'5 265

If they all played to their potential that's the biggest most athletic 4 man front in the NFL.
 
I think he is a lot heavier than 297. I didn't look it up, even if those are correct, but I would say he is 320 or so.

I could be wrong. I don't know anything about him. Looked it up online.
 
Only in goal-line or short-yardage situations. Otherwise the pash rush, such as it is, will suffer.

It think you let Hightower play the SLB in a 43 under and go after the QB. But I'd prefer to see Armstead assume that LDE position.
 
I could be wrong. I don't know anything about him. Looked it up online.

You could be right.
I just looked it up.
The 2012 roster had him at 308
The 2011 roster had him at 330
:confused:
My eye test says he is at least 320 and very quick at that.
Maybe he has lost a lot of weight to be a DE but IMO that takes away some of his allure. I prefer a Ngata type.
 
I think he is a lot heavier than 297. I didn't look it up, even if those are correct, but I would say he is 320 or so.

Pro football reference says 331 and I've seen 327.

He is listed at 297 somewhere, and that's a whole different player.
 
I agree with that. Unfortunately, Vaughn Martin has been a little disappointing the past couple years. A change of scenery might be what he needs, however. He has flashed some talent at times.

If I was BB, I would look at Tommy Kelly when the Raiders get around to releasing him. Has a big contract that he has failed to live up to, but BB always spoke highly of him and he certainly has the talent to make an impact. If he would come in on a prove it deal, he would be the way I would go.

Yeah, i remember BB talking well of him also.
 
Is this going to be your deafult response to every article that says the Patriots are interested in a player that isn't Larry Fitzgerald or Darrelle Revis? ************...

I said it in jest, sorry, I didn't know some of you guys would be so sensitive.

I am eager to see the Pats sign some additional guys that I've heard of....
 
Why would anyone complain about Belichick looking for more DT help?
 
I said it in jest, sorry, I didn't know some of you guys would be so sensitive.

I am eager to see the Pats sign some additional guys that I've heard of....

Like Vollmer, Lloyd, Edleman, and Abraham. This might raise our free agent grade to
something higher than D+.
 
Pro football reference says 331 and I've seen 327.

He is listed at 297 somewhere, and that's a whole different player.

327 @ Wiki
308 @ Chargers website
297 @ nfl.com

Wish I knew which one was right.
 
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