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  1. mgcolby

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    20.3 PPG puts them at 10th in the league in points against!

    Just sayin....:confused2:
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    Misleading stat is misleading
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    Same can be said about the BS "last in yardage"
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    Not only that, the Pats have allowed less points per game than the Jets who are supposed to have a top defense. Granted they have to go against the Pats' offense twice and the Pats get to go against the Jets offense twice. Definitely not a fair trade off.
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    Whats misleading? they are what they are, yards dont matter, just like Gruden said tonight, you never see yards on the scoreboard.
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    Only a fool would call the most important defensive stat in the game a "misleading" stat!

    That makes zero sense!
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    Exactly! Measuring defenses on yards allowed is probably the most misleading stat.
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    C'mon! What are you talking about. The Pats almost lost tonight because they gave up 334 yards and only scored 380 yards. It was a real nail biter tonight.
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    Only a fool would call this a top 10 defense
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    And only a fool would call this the worst defense. It is a far better defense than people give it credit for. You take away the first month of the season and it could be a top third defense.
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    Don't forget Jets Fans excuse for this as well....

    Mark Sanchez has thrown a lot of picks returned for TD's or set the opposing team up in the red zone. :D
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    Aaron Rodgers would destroy this defense in the Super Bowl. Pats better hope the Pack don't make it there
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    If I cherry pick stats I can make anyone look good.

    I'm not trying to discredit the team. But it's not a top 10 defense.
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    My favorite play from today's D was the Arrington pick where

    1. Ninko killed the QB
    2. Moore killed the WR
    3. AND LOVE JUST COMPLETELY DESTROYED SOMEONE.
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    :rofl:

    That is all.
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    And only a fool would forget that EVERY YEAR our Defense gets better towards the end of the year under BB. Also throw in the fact that they switched to a base 4-3 this year, which means there are plenty of things to learn for lots of these guys who never played in a 4-3.
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    Hmmm NFL.com team stats page listed by points per game says they are 10th? I didn't call them a top ten defense, they are a top 10 defense based on the most important defensive stat in the game.

    What are you arguing against? Does it matter how they get it done? Do you not think that other teams benefit by playing a bad offense everyonce in a while? Or do only the Patriots play bad offenses?

    You are really making yourself look foolish! Much like most threads about the defense.

    Oh that is right I remember now, this game doesn't count because it was played at the Razor. Hold on someone call the NFL, this game doesn't count....:bricks:
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    Once again, we see the impact good coaching can make.
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    It's not cherry picking. It is acknowledging that they sucked the first month and have really turned it around the last six games. Tonight is not a great test for the defense, but it did build on the good stuff of last week.
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    Aaron Rodgers destroys most defenses.
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    It was their other Tight End, 85 I think. Love wrecked him. That was a great play, all 3 at the same time, plus an INT to add on top.
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    And Brady would destroy the Packers defense....:confused:
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    Agreed

    But if you could take any defenses in the league, and let Belichick coach them for a year, do you really think this unit is better than 22 other units?

    Get real
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    The defense is bad. The coaching is excellent. It's all a matter of matchups and what the coaches can cover up for.
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    But Belichick doesn't coach any other team. Who cares if the Pats' defense is the most talented or least talented? The Eagles probably have the most talent in the league on defense and they are 4-6. I only care about production. I don't don't care if the Pats' starting CBs are the waterboy and ballboy as long as they produce. Arrington leads the league in INTs. Do you think he is in Revis' class? Of course not, but I will take his production.
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    That play drew a triple OOOOHHH from me and my two boys. What a great sequence of events.
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    Like Deus said

    the defense is bad. The coaches just exploit match ups.
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    :blahblah: :blahblah: That's what they said about the greatest show on turf vs. the plucky tuck rule team that had a 25th ranked yardage defense and a dink and dunk QB that year and we all know how that turned out...
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    Let's not jump the gun here, the competition will get easier so our stats will improve but there is lots of fixing to do.
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    And the players have to execute those exploits. Guess what? They are. This defense is so beat up that a highschool team should march down the field on the names we have out there, but they have allowed the 10th fewest points in the league. I don't care how quickly teams move from the 20 to 20, nearly every opponent we face has trouble scoring on us once they are inside the 20, the redzone D i'd guess is near the top of the league without checking actual stats.

    They are far from the 10th most talented, but they are producing.
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