Regarding the Jets - I made a point and clearly wrote "one time", I never said the lowly Jets created the blueprint to stop us...no way, they played one really good game at just the right time.
But thats exactly my point. You (and others) say every time a team plays a certain style against us they stop us. Since the Jets were the start of that thinking, if it were true, they would continue playing that style.
The argument has now become listing the teams/games we didn't play well and pretending they are similar teams with similar approaches and they simply aren't.
Take a look back (if your stomach can take it) at that game and remember, we were within 3 points starting the 4th quarter having overcome a stupid fake punt call, mental errors etc. Yet, they did manage to hold us to 21 points and sacked brady 5 times.
Thats a game, not proof a style that owns us.
The "style" that I see succeed against is usually heavy pressure, usually up the middle while the secondary is clogging the middle at the same time.
Thats not really a style, that is a team effectively pass rushing. The clogging the middle is a gratuitious throw in.
The first time I recall seeing it was Ravens Monday night game in 2007, that was the game where the great catch by Gaffney bailed us out.
The Ravens didn't play the scheme the Jets did in 10, they gambled, took chances, held on every play, and hoped to get big plays. The Jets plan was to drop up to 8 in coverage and hit after the catch.
That was followed by the regular season game vs the Giants in the Meadowlands, yes we won, but that game gave the Giants the confidence and realization that their system and match ups on defense were favorable for them.
Didnt we score 38 points?
While the game was decided by a fluke catch,
Fluke? What catch was a fluke?
questionable calls and flat out dumb luck, they way their defense played us enabled them to be in a position to win that game.
Umm, no their offense kept them in the game. Their defense barely slowed us down. We had 400 yards of offense, 38 points, and Brady was 32-42-356 with 0 ints and was sacked once.
If the Giants confidence was based on how they 'handled' our offense in that game, they wouldn't have shown up for the SB.
Next up was Ravens trouncing us at Gillette knocking us out of the playoffs, followed by yet another Giant win in a superbowl (after we barely snuck by the Ravens)and finally, of course, this years loss in the AFC championship game.
So you have named the losses. I agree we lost those games. You have done nothing to show a trend of how, or what teams do to beat us. You can't because it isn't there.
High powered offenses need to score points...we haven't been able to do that against these two teams and it has cost us dearly.
Every offense needs to score points.
You make it like a great offense that scores less against a good team is worse than having a bad offense that scores less against good teams, because everyone scores less against good teams, after all.
Starting with the game in 2007 against the ravens we played them 7 times winning four of them....however, our average points comes out to 22.5.
Because they are historically a good defense. Do you expect us to score more against good teams? How much have they allowed per game?
They allowed 18 ppg over those years, so we exceeded what they allow by 25%.
Conversely, we scored 31 per game over that time, which means we averaged
27% less vs them than our average.
So in other words, when we faced a good D we beat what they allow by almost exactly the same amount as they cut what we score. So, there is no abnormal difference here.
Against the Giants since the 2007 game we have played them four times, winning only once and our average points came out to 22.3.
So, the Giants beat us 3 out of 4.
What does that have to do with your argument. The Giants play a very different style of defense than either the Jets or Ravens. In fact, the Giants had different coordinators in 07 and 11 and a bunch of different players.
It just seems obvious to me that we have simply not been able to play well enough and score enough points (22 hasn't cut it) to overcome the "style" manifested by pressure and coverage as I described above, in particular against the Giants & Ravens.
We have had games where we don't score a lot of points.
The teams you are pulling out a handful of games over a 6 year stretch are not similar at all.
They do not cover the same as each other, they do not generate pressure the same. Hell, some of those games (including this year) had absolutely nothing to so with pass rush.
Sometimes other teams play good defense. Sometimes they score more points than we do.
There really are no other similarities.
