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  1. Zeus

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    I thought this was going to be complicated but it's not.

    Pats and jets split so head to head is out.

    If the jets beat Buffalo and Miami, Jets win due to superior division record.

    If it goes to the second tiebreaker (common games), Patriots win. Here's why. There are only two games for each team that do not involve common opponents: Cincinnati and Tennessee for the jets; Indianapolis and Pittsburgh for NE. Since the jets have already won both games and the Patriots have already lost to the Colts, the Patriots would have to have a better record in the remaining games (i.e., the games against common oppponents) under any scenario involving the second tiebreaker.
     
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    so this reiterates the obvious we are routing for Dolphins and bills when they face the Jets again.
     
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    Isn't Common games down the line one?? What about the conference record? The Jets have 1 against Den...while the Pats have 2, Pitts and Oak. (With ANother looko..and a correction...oops....common games is BEFORE conference.. SO the common opponenets would add in the NFC games as well as the other 4 AFC games from the West?? So would that mean if tied the Pats would win that tie breaker??
     
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    here are the divisional tiebreaking procedures:

    TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION
    If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

    Two Clubs
    Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
    Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
    Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
    Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
    Strength of victory.
    Strength of schedule.
    Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
    Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
    Best net points in common games.
    Best net points in all games.
    Best net touchdowns in all games.
    Coin toss
     
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    we must remember that at this time the Pats are 6-2 in common games and the jets are 5-2, but the Pats have 4 more comn games and the jets 5 more, so those records could change, we'll see, they both may end up tied. and then it goes to the conf record tie breaker . . .
     
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    not to get off topic, but shouldnt this end all "running up the score" crying?
     
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    It's still too early to worry about tie-breakers.
     
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    No, we don't have to remember that, when figuring tiebreakers. Zeus explained why (good post!).

    We have already lost one of the two "not-common" games. The Jets have already won both. Therefore, if we end up tied with the Jets we *must* have the better record in common games.

    Put the other way around: if we end up tied up common games, the tiebreaker is irrelevant since they finished one or two games ahead of us.
     
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    That is true....but I think it's good to see what COULD happen..with the Jets.. on the other hand..what happens if somehow the Jets, Pats and Fins all are tied with the same record?? (obviously it would depend on those last few division games..but??)
    I agree a great post!!
     
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    lol, right
     
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    The Miami and Bills games are in NY, so hopefully those teams can find some road magic.

    Regards,
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    Actually the team that we really have to watch are the Steelers and the Ravens. The Jets have a realitively easy schedule down the stretch and unless they lose to either Miami or Buffalo the Pats most likely will not be able to catch them.

    The Colts are going to the playoffs, you can put that down in stone. They have Cincy, Cleve, and Detriot coming up along with games against Jacksonville and they end the season at Tennessee. The only question is if they will catch Tennessee for the division, but Tennessee also has some more fraud games against Cincy and Detriot, so lock those two spots up right now.

    Whoever wins the west, will be the only team from that division in the playoffs. So it will come down to the Pats (assuming that they do not catch the Jets) Pittsburgh and Baltimore. A win against Pittsburg is almost a must this week, but I think Baltimore is the team that we should really watch the most. I think that Pittsburg (regardless of what happens this weekend) will win the division, but a win against them would mean that the Pats would hold the tiebreaker, because other than that, the Steelers are like 7-1 in the AFC, and the Pats already have 4 division losses. Baltimore right now is 7-4, they have already lost to the Steelers and tey play again in a few weeks. They have 3 lossess in the AFC right now, down the stretch they play at Cincy, home to Washington, home to the Steelrs, at Dallas, and end up at home to Jacksonville. That means that they only have 3 division games left and one of them is the Bengals.

    Now if the Steelers win the division, the Pats would be fighting the Ravens for that last playoff spot, and if the Pats beat the Steelers that would give us the tie-breaker not only against the Steelers, but if the Steelers end up sweeping the Ravens it would give the Pats the tie breaker over the Ravens as well (assuming that the Pats and Ravens had indetical records and division wins/lossess) As the only common games would be Miami (Pats 1-1 Ravens 1-0), Oakland (Ravens 1-0 Pats ?), and the Steelers (Ravens ?-1, Pats ?).

    SO as big as last weeks game was, that win now makes this week, huge, a win this weekend would be a huge boost to the Pats playoff chances.
     
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    EVERY week is now huge for the pats...and w/ every win, htey will only get bigger
     
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    I think you mean Conference?
     
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    since all of the jets remaining games are common games, the only way the common games record is tied is if the jets have one less loss than us
     
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    Yup.

    ten char.
     
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    Steelers will win their division and I think they beat us with Matt Light likely suspended. BAL will probably be swept by PIT this year.

    Colts have locked up a wild card spot(probably the higher seeded wild card), and don't count those lucky %^$$ers from winning the division. TEN is headed for a late season collapse, I have this feeling. DET may even make it interesting against them on Thanksgiving.

    The question is who wants to be in the playoffs from the AFC west? Neither team wants it. I think we should root for SD to get in because that will give Indy a tougher matchup in the wildcard round. I would puke if I saw Indy in the super bowl. Of course the zebras are always screwing the Chargers.

    The Pats will get the lower seeded wildcard and will probably have to play at the Steelers instead of the Jets. The Steelers have a tougher road than the Jets do so this will prevent them from getting a bye.

    First round byes will be TEN and NYJ.

    Likely playoff matchups:

    Saturday night game: IND at DEN
    Sunday late afternoon game: NE at PIT
     
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    This means we need to stay within a game of the Jets going into the final week when they play Miami. That way, if we take care of Buffalo, Miami cannot overtake us and if they do, we leap the Jets.

    One scenario we DON'T want is to be 2+ games behind NYJ going into that final game and tied with Miami. Because then I am positive Mangini will lie down in an unimportant game to stick it to BB, even if a bye is on the line IMO. And I'm pretty sure Miami has common game tiebreaker advantage over us since they beat SD so a tie between us and them probably means they would get in- assuming they beat Buffalo.
     
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    miami @buffalo in the cold isnt an easy game
     
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    Well, it gets a bit easier if it's played in a dome in Toronto.

    Check the schedule: Miami at Buffalo, Rogers Centre, Toronto.
     
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