Discussion in 'Patriots Draft Talk' started by Marqui, Apr 8, 2010.
Patriots host WR Dez Bryant - Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston
Didn't see that coming...
Didn't really see it coming but it makes sense. His stock is falling and the Pats might as well get a closer look at the best WR in the draft should he fall to them.
They should strongly consider him if he falls to 22. He's immature, but our locker room should be strong enough to enable him to grow up.
Defense. We need Defense and a pass rush.
With our 2nd rounders we can grab someone like Damian Williams who is a solid WR.
You don't need a Jerry Rice WR to win the SB.
Bryant won't make it to #22 but if he did we also have plenty of picks to get defense in the second round. I'm not sure how smart Bryant is but if he's smart enough and somehow made it to our pick we wouldn't pass on him - again, if intelligence isn't a problem. Three defensive picks in round two is more than enough.
We're going to need to replace Randy Moss after 2010 (I really don't believe he'll be back). Bryant would be the perfect guy to do that, unless you want to use Oakland's pick next year or A.J. Green or Julio Jones.
The guy's a beast and we have a huge glaring hole at WR, so I say draft the man if he falls to us. If anyone can get Dez's head on straight it's BB.
Maybe...but even stronger editions of the Pats locker room didn't manage to mature Bethel Johnson or Chad Jackson.
They just sucked. I was talking about Bryant's attitude.
Where did you get that Chad Jackson was cut do to maturity issues? He was cut because he didn't earn Brady's trust with his route running..
As for Bethel, his issues were injuries more than maturity.
Bryant is better than Bethel or Jackson. He's hands down the best WR in this draft. He's on par with Larry Fitzgerald, in my opinion. Yes, he's a bit immature, but he idolizes Randy Moss. Playing on the same team as Moss might be just the thing he needs (comments at the draft party about players forgetting their cleats notwithstanding). Remember last year everyone was leery of Vontae Davis for his immaturity and not playing up to his physical abilities? Well, he sure is turning out pretty well down in Miami.
Also, the whole thing about Deion is really overblown. Darius Butler is one of Deion's guys, too, and he's been nothing but a model citizen during his time here. Might be worth the risk if he falls--which I don't think he will.
Our locker room is about as bad as it has been in the past 10 years
Last year it was. Vince, with his big pay day, has been pretty vocal this offseason as have a few other guys. I think they can handle a rookie WR, should he fall to us in the draft.
This is great news IMO. (my avatar). I think this guy's ceiling is Moss, Fitzgerald ad will have an immediate impact. He needs to be taken at #22.
This shows how good he is:
1. He missed most of his last season for lying or something.
2. He is reported "irresponsible".
3. He's still projected to go top 15.
I doubt it's smokescreen, he's not a reach type of player and is by far the best WR in the draft.
If I had to choose, I'd use a draft pick (via trade) on a PROVEN bad boy WR rather than a rookie.
i.e. if you could choose between Brandon Marshall and Dez Bryant, who would you take?
One also has to realize that guys who are brought in are usually those the team has questions and concerns about. Those with no questions or concerns who don't visit are often the guys chosen - not the ones in for a visit.
Beyond that, if the Patriots are thinking of trading back, it's in their interest to show some level of interest in coveted players... any team coveting Bryant from 23 down will need to consider making a trade offer to the Pats, as they don't know whether the interest is genuine or not.
It's all part of the Chess Game that is the NFL.
I would take Dez Bryant in a heart beat.
Yeah, he isn't proven like Marshall, but Marshall is a bad locker room guy. I don't think there is anything saying Bryant is a bad locker room guy or that his teammates didn't like him or vice versa.
There's more risk with Bryant, but less $$ is involved and his ceiling is as high or even higher.
Bryant lied to the NCAA about having met with Deion at Deion's place for dinner. And the NCAA turned it into a big todo over NOTHING. Granted, Bryant shouldn't have lied, but i have no doubt when he said that he felt they were attacking him with their questions. Friggin NCAA is like Congress. They think they have the right to control what these kids do in their free time.
They are just doing due dilligence. If Bryant drops that far, they want to have an evaluation on his character and abilities to see if they are comfortable enough with him to pull the trigger at that point. Risky pick, but also high upside. Character questionable. Those kinds of questions are usually best answered face to face.
Just read what happened. How the Hell is that worthy of a seasin suspension,WTF? I understand if Bryant is troubled by that.
I take it your in favor of Bryant if he falls to #22.
BTW, Moss and Bryant would be one fun year that is similar to veteran Cris Carter and Rookie Randy Moss as one of the best tandems ever.
Wow! I didn't know Bryant was so highly touted.
Brandon Marshall's been averaging 102 receptions for three years straight.
A great many rookie WR - including Brandon Marshall himself - need a season or two to develop.
Seeing as we're without Welker NOW, I'd be perfectly happy with Marshall's 102 receptions now rather than waiting a year or two for Bryant's "higher ceiling" to develop.... even if scouts are projecting him to eventually make Marshall's 102 catches pale in comparison.
Brandon Marshall is obviously better but he wants a lot more money than Dez Bryant.
Honestly, no. I am not in favor of taking Bryant.. Too many 1st round WRs have been busts... That being said, if BB took him there, then he'd have to feel confident that Bryant would the lining up opposite Moss from Day 1 of TC.
The problem was that Bryant was supposedly given several chances to come clean and didn't. He only came clean when he was in the room with Deion and the NCAA officials.
I agree that he didn't deserve losing most of his senior season. Especially with how the NCAA officials come off as being god's gift. However, he did deserve to be punished. But it didn't fit the crime.
There are too many unknowns for me, he's off my board the same as Meriweather was in 2007. If he passes the due diligence part of the Patriots process, welcome aboard and "git'er done Dez." Until then...has anyone mentioned Jared Odrick?
You also dont need a great defense to win the SB, if your defense can complement your offense (the saints last season) you will be in good shape. Im a Defense first guy when it comes to drafting as well but Dez Bryant is the best WR in the draft and I certainly wont be disappointed if he were to fall to us
There is a bit of a connection through Randy Moss's old coach so there may be something to this visit....naw...smokescreen to allow the Patriots to trade down if he falls to them.
Interesting highlights (first time I have seen him on the field). He is big and has great long speed and hands like glue. However most of the receptions (at least the ones in the highlights) he was not open and had to (successfully I might add) fight for the ball. Does he lack short-area quickness and the ability to run crisp routes?
AJ Green please, I want nothing to do with Bryant, he's a cancer waiting to form.
Williams is slated by more than one media to be a slot guy. Will he be able to play wide? Will it take him a while to adapt. Do we need another slot guy at about 5'11" and 195lbs? What scares me more is the USC WR trail of failure.
I say we wait on landing a #1 until next year with julio jones, floyd and aj green coming out. I think a golden tate, damian williams or eric decker can provide enough offense until then.
I am really hopeing that either Jimmy Clausen or Dez Bryant drop to 22 so we can maximize the value of that pick. The more I look at this draft the more I think all the guys I want are going to be gone by 22. If one of these two guys drop we can trade back into the early 2nd while grabbing a high 3rd as well. We have so many holes I really want to trade back unless a stud is on the board. The only guys who have a realistic chance of bring at 22 I would draft are Brandon Graham, Jared Odrick or Maurkice Pouncey. However, I see Pouncey rising updraft boards and most likely going to Pitt at 18. I see Graham going to Tenn at 16, ATL at 19 or Cinci at 21. I also have seen in recent days Odrick moving up boards. I saw that Clev is looking at him at 7! I could easily see him going to Den at 10, SF at 13, or Pitt at 18.
Dez Bryant to me showed a lot of immaturity showing up out of shape to his pro day and giving up on a lot of the drills and not finishing them out. He also forgot to bring his shoes to workout! I really think he could be a potential headcase as well. This team won 3 Super Bowls without an elite #1 WR. I don't think BB wants to take a chance on a clown like this in round 1. BB has never drafted a WR in round 1 mostly because I think Pioli and BB see that the WR position has a high bust rate and low value in round 1. This is why WRs drop in the draft every single year. The 2nd and 3rd rd is where you find WRs.
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