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Should Randy Moss go to the PATRIOT'S HOF?

Poll closed Jul 10, 2012.
  1. yes

    25 vote(s)
    37.9%
  2. no

    41 vote(s)
    62.1%
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  1. lurker1965

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    No Jersey Selected

    I'm not talking about Canton.

    Should Randy Moss be in the Patriot's HOF? My own feeling is Canton, Yes; Foxborough, no.

    What say you?
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    No.................
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    Yes he broke records and helped the team go 16-0, but he was only here for 3 seasons!
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    maybe if he had not left in such a bad way. He acted the opposite of what is sought - skills diminished but still selfish. When he was traded most fans were happy. In 20 years when no one remembers how it ended and only looks at the numbers maybe.
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    Nope.

    Moss = Canton HOF

    Troy Brown = Patriots HOF

    I don't think numbers should have any bearing on the Patriots version of the Hall of Fame.

    I enjoyed Moss as a Patriot for a couple of seasons, but I don't think "Patriot" when I see him.
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    I think he was a huge part of a story that should be captured for the PHoF and belongs in the building. It's not a GOAT barn, afterall. It's a place for people to learn about our team. For a short time, he was an important part of that team.
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    The story of each memorable season will be in there. Tommy will be the narrator for 2007, thanks.

    Moss and Dillon both had a moment here. A better case can be made for each to land in Canton eventually than ever be enshrined in Foxboro.
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    Perhaps the biggest thing Moss has going for him in consideration for the Pats HoF is how high he ranks on the Pats all-time leader board in various categories (receiving yards, receptions, receiving touchdowns, total touchdowns, yards from scrimmage).

    The problem for him is that it will be a long time before he has a legitimate chance; Bruschi, McGinest, Harrison, Law, Vrabel, Light and Faulk will get in first. By then others will start becoming eligible, such as Seymour, Vinatieri, Wilfork and Mankins. Considering how pass-happy the NFL has become, by the time Moss gets a legitimate shot at the Pats HoF he will likely have slid quite a bit in most if not all of those all-time team rankings.

    With each passing year the memories of 2007 will fade, slowly but surely. Eventually people will ask the same questions they do now of Houston Antwine, Julius Adams and Leon Gray: 'if he was so good, why isn't he in the hall already?' That may sound crazy right now, but since it's going to be at least fifteen years before he gets in there is a very good chance that is exactly what some will be saying. He may have to count on a veteran's committee choice to get in, and that happens only once every five years.
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    No (10 characters)
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    No messing eh Andy? ;)
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    I don't think 3 years and no rings is close to consideration.
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    If you leave on bad terms you should never be in a teams hall.(Seymour,Vinatraitor,Law,Martin,Parcells)
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    Moss is my 2nd all time favorite Patriot, that is saying alot. But I answered no.
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    Seymour was traded.
    Vinaitieri was a FA
    Law was an injured FA
    Martin left on bad terms to follow a legend instead of stick with Pete Carroll.
    Parcells left on the worst of terms and was very close to getting inducted last year.

    Most don't fit your description (unless you think only people who stay for less money than someone else offers them are not pariahs) and the nominating committee disagrees with you on the one who does, and the fans appear at least close to disagreeing with you.
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    Moss probably wasn't here long enough, which is a shame, because putting up 3800 yards and 47 TDs in three seasons is pretty crazy.
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    Ummm....Mr. Bledsoe, I am sorry, but we must take back that induction from last year. Our apologies.
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    Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. There are too many fans in denial who think Bledsoe was a good teamate while he was attempting to divide the lockerroom and pit coach vs owner in 2001.
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    I vote yes because he was an integral part of that unbeaten regular season. No chance we would have done it without him.
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    Bullsheet. You dont need to induct the player to tell the story of that year. What are you going to induct all 53+ guys who were active that year too????


    This is a no-brainer. Canton- Yes. Pats HoF-No.

    He can get a plaque somewhere for setting the most TDs in a season mark. But a bust and shirt etc etc...... no freakin way. (if he had actually had an impact in the SB, before he got all full of himself you could MAYBE have an argument. But he was Mr. invisble vs the Gints).
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    Vinadouche never tried to get a counter-offer from the Pats. He went to a team that his fan-base detests without giving NE a chance to counter-offer

    Law was a "get paid" jerk who never cared about anything but money

    Martin was a "Tuna-sniffer" I am so glad he never won anything. How can you be so loyal to a guy who has no loyalty himself?

    Parcells -If I have to tell you why Parcells should be persona non grata then you obviously are not a Pats fan

    But remember I never said these players WOULDNT get inducted just that they SHOULDNT
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    Bledsoe was a horrible teammate that year,I agree. But at least he had a reason to be a problem,right or wrong. The other guys I listed were just traitors. And yes I have no problem calling them traitors and yes I take football WAY too seriously.
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    You should be grateful for his contributions, not upset because the team didn't make him a reasonable offer, and were fine with him leaving.

    Law was a guy we don't win 2 SBs without. You are an idiot if you think he cared about nothing but money, just because he cared about money.

    I have no loyalty at all to Curtis Martin. I'm just honest about what happened. Are you telling me you would pass up an offer to follow Bill Parcells, who drafted you and led you to a SB, in order to play for Pete Carroll after Bobby Grier essentially laughed in your face and said you have to play out your rookie contract before we even consider a new deal? The Patriots screwed up the Martin deal, whether Parcells was involved or not.

    Parcells was nominated by the team, and almost voted in by the fans. I do not think he should go in, but perhaps you should get some facts straight before you talk shlt

    And I just pointed out your reasons are foolish.
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    Actually Andy, the nomination committee, IIRC, is made up mostly of members of the media, and past Pats players. I'm not sure that the Pats FO is even part of it, but if it is, its just one part of the committee.

    Also IIRC, Parcells was never close at getting in, with most Pats fans showing the good sense to reject him at the polls. IMHO, Parcell's nominations have been media driven, by guys who are nostalgic for the good old days when they had a guy who would give them the kind of quotes and pressers that made their jobs easy. A stark contrast the great volumes of nothing they get out of BB and his well trained players
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    I agree with OP. He should be in Canton, but the way he left the team (essentially fired for bad attitude) should keep him out of the Pats HOF. There are other more deserving Patriots who should get in.
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    How insulting can you be? I mean really calling people idiots and foolish? Does the guy with the IveKilledPeople moniker have to be the one to call for civility here?

    Parcells was not close to getting in by the votes. And exactly what facts am I suppose to be wrong on? Parcell's was in talks with the Jets while he was taking their division rival to the Superbowl. He was a HUGE distraction leading up to the game and coached a horrible horrible game. So you can love him all you want but dont expect most Patriot fans to do the same.

    Ty Law whined like a little baby and went to KC and the Jets. Money may not have been everything to Mr. Law but winning certainly mattered not at all.

    To say we should be grateful for what they did for the team sounds all sweet and all but most people including me dont forgive quite so easily. If your wife porked the plumber would you say: "Look,It's cool I appreciate all the good times we had so I will set up this shrine in her honor, besides he was a hell of a plumber!"
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    Its just Andy, you'll get used to it :D

    I would just like to point out that Martin was a model person while he was here. He was a restricted FA that year, and the jets made a huge offer that the Pats basically laughed at. What was Martin supposed to do? Refuse the offer, and stay a Patriot, knowing that the next season he would be a FA, and the Pats would lowball him on a new contract? He wouldve been gone in 98, or tagged, and miserable. Bottom line, the front office was a joke with Grier. I don't blame Martin. The rest of the players you mentioned, well, im on the fence about.

    As for the OPs question......There's a long list of great Pats that should get in, long before anyone ever mentions Moss. I would personally say no. One great season doesnt make you worthy of such an honor. IMO
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    Which 5 fans said yes?

    You really have to be a total buffoon to believe that he deserves the HOF from one great season,2 fairly good seasons and a 2 game season of FAIL.

    He will surely reach Canton.....not NE

    Hell,he deserves more into the Vikings HOF than he does here.
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    I voted yes. Despite whatever personal feelings you have toward Randy Moss and the way in which he left the Patriots, the fact is he produced record setting performances in a juggernaut offense. That deserves recognition. That doesn't mean he goes in straight away, it just means he goes in at some point.

    He put up over 1000 yards and 11 TDs with Matt Cassel, a QB who hadn't started since High School.

    That reminds me, damn Welker and Moss were immense for the Patriots in 2008.
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    No. He had one or two really great years. That's it. The guys who belong in the Pats HOF were key members of the team for far longer and most had better attitudes while doing it.
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    Randy had a great season and some other fine moments in a Patriots uniform. He was also the epitome of selfish during the course of his last season here, the exact opposite of a team player. Canton, yes, Patriots Place, no way!
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