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    My gut tell me the Pats FO is putting a trade package together to get A.J.Hawk. I think they would have to move up to Oaklands pick to do that. Wouldn't we all freak if they pulled off a move like that? I know I would. Hello defense of the future! :rocker:
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    No they aren't, it would just cost too much especially with a good set of LB in this year's draft.
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    Hey..... Its 30 days before the draft. I can dream! :rocker:
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    Hawk would be an awesome pick for us. He is so instinctive, it's scary. On film, sometimes he's made three steps before Carpenter has figured out the ball's been snapped. In our defense, I'd move Hawk inside and just watch him make tons of plays. With Bruschi calling out the opposing team's plays ahead of time, Hawk's learning curve would be diminished somewhat. He's very good at shedding blockers with his hands. Speed, lateral movement, tackling. What else could we want. It's a dream, but well worth it in my book.
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    See! I'm not the only one with a dream. Thanks Ockmed! I guess we'd have to move up to #5 to get him. Yikes! :rocker:
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    A very big jump would be needed. A very expensive jump I might add.
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    He would be a great addition to the defense - you put him inside, Vrabel moves back outside to take Willie's old spot. I'm just concerned about how much he'd cost to move up, considering I still think (even with Guss Scott back in the fold) you need secondary and wr help that could be addressed in later rounds if we keep those picks.
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    It would cost, IMO, our #1 this year and next and our #2 this year. It's not happening. And the subject to this thread should be changed, btw.
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    At least. I was thinking we would probably have to throw in something like a 4th or 5th rounder as well (which is the round where I have my eye on my man Stovall). That's why, as good as I think he'd be, that's too high a price tag for Hawk.
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    We need to start a ruckus! Hey Pats FO..... WE WANT HAWK! WE WANT HAWK!
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    What film are you speaking of? Are you a pro scout or are you talking about highlight videos available on the Internet because that's not really "film."
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    I feel like I'm on a Browns board, they have about 5 of those threads a day :) In fact, on one they made a pinned "We Want Hawk" thread and banned all other Hawk threads :D
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    getting A.J Hawk would be amazing!!
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    Uhhh.... I don't.

    This draft is very deep with LBs. I'd much rather keep all the picks we'd have to give up to get Hawk, and instead grab Carpenter (or perhaps Lawson) in round 1, Joseph Addai or Richard Marshall in round 2, etc. and one or more DE/OLB tweeners on day 2.
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    I like Carpenter too, Big Mike...... I'm just bored and want to rant a bit. Carpenter represents the best value I believe. Doesn't mean I can't holler for Hawk! :rocker:
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    :rofl:

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    Don't be silly, we will be trading Seymour for #5, their second next year, and the rights to Walker - that will trump Denver. :rolleyes:
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    Trading Seymore

    Actually, the senario where the Pats trade Seymore may come to fruition. On the one hand, the team really stumbled when he was hurt last year trying to cross-train to the fullback position. His absence dispelled any doubt as to Richard's true value to the defense. He's the mainstay. However, if BB waits until his contract is up next year, he won't be able to match the dollars Seymore will command in salary and signing bonus. If Mario Williams gets a 18-20 million signing bonus as the #2 or #4 overall pick, what's a still young Richard Seymore who has proven himself as (perhaps) the best DE in the NFL going to get as a free agent? Since they can't sign him to a new contract until August at the earliest, he may just decide to play the year and cash in after the season. I think an important point to make is, the success of the Pats (3 out of 4 superbowls) is (ironically) becoming a double edge sword. Players like Seymore, Deion Branch, and Adam to name a few, have already won multiple superbowls. Most players just dream of reaching the final game once in their career. I'm not suggesting they don't want to win another one, but at this point they have to be thinking a great deal more about getting paid first. So, if they have to leave the Pats and cash in elsewhere, I have to believe they'll do it. BB's actions this off-season (hoarding cap money) may indicate he wants to have enough cash to extend Branch and Seymore long-term. However, if Branch and Seymore have good seasons, BB may not want to pay the price in the end. So, the question is, what else is rolling around in his head? I can't believe he'll trade Branch, but I can forsee him trading Seymore before the draft. Maybe to the Jets (who lost Abraham) or the Saints, who really need a great DE. The Pats could be thinking Mario Williams (DE) or D'Brickashaw (LT). Even though they would get big signing bonus money, they would be locked up for 6 years as first round picks. If you extrapolate, the cap hit would be less than extending Seymore for the money it would cost. Also, the Pats could get an additional 3rd rounder this year for Seymore. If you really want to dream, imagine the Pats trading Seymore to the Saints and then giving the Jets enough 2007 picks and taking their 1st pick this year. They could get Mario Williams and D'Brickashaw. With 20 million in cap space, they could afford to sign all 3 #1's and they would have all 3 for the next 6 years. I realize these are only my musings, but since Bob Kraft spends to the cap limit every year, it would explain why BB is sitting on all that money and not signing any expensive FA's. Just my delusional ramblings.
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    Uh, why would a team trade their high first round pick for Seymour, with his existing contract only having one more year on it? He then becomes a FA after one year, and they could lose him. That would be real bright - give up a high #1 to get him for one year? Since the Pats can't renegotiate his contract until August, they'd be trading him with the existing contract.
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    Because Seymour is a proven stud. All you have to do is look back at the past 5, 10, 20 drafts and those taken in the top ten to know the success rate of those players.
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    Seymour Trade

    The Pats can't renegotiate until August, but I believe they can trade him. Typically, when a trade like that is made, it doesn't happen until the team getting the player, first agrees to terms on a new contract. RE: the trade that is about to happen with the Bills and the Texans. The Texans first agreed to terms with Moulds, and now they have to give the Bills the draft choice they want to complete the trade. Same with Seymour. Negotiate the new deal and then complete the trade. I agree that you certainly wouldn't trade the #2 pick in the first round for a player with one year left and then hope he re-signs later. If you are correct, and he can't renegotiate before August, even with the new team he is traded to, then this whole deal is not valid. That angle did not occur to me. Thanks for your input.
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    Don't get buffaloed on this one, a new team with an enormous cap, like Green Bay, could negotiate a deal before August. They need DL help and they have cap room and a high draft pick to use as bait. The only things to account for, Sey's replacement on the line and how cooperative is he in reaching an agreement in principal now, so that the Pats can plan the rest of the off-season moves. Once those two questions are answered, you can pick your poison.
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    I must reiterate my original point.... WE WANT A.J. HAWK!!!! :rocker:
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    Can anyone explain why a team with a shot at drafting Mario Williams (which I assume would be the case, since you're saying we would trade Seymour to get a pick to use to get Williams) would choose to trade that pick for Seymour, rather than drafting Williams themselves? At this point, Williams is viewed as someone who is going to be a stellar DE. They could get him young, and with a cheaper contract than they could get Seymour (assuming they could renegotiate his contract).

    It just seems rather silly to me - both for the other team to want to make the trade, and for us to (unless Seymour has indicated that he is just not going to re-sign here).
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    Seymour Trade

    Thanks for your feedback. My thinking was that Seymour already has a handful of rings. What he wants now is a big payday, and who can blame him? I feel that since the Pats can't renegotiate until August, the "smart" thing to do would be to play the season and auction himself off. At that point, the Pats would/could not match the dollars. That being said, I have to believe (IMHO) that Seymour is a much more attractive option and worth a lot more than Mario Williams. Seymour is (perhaps) the best DE in the NFL. He is a proven quantity. He is just entering his prime and has (at least) 6-7 very productive years left in his tank. The only reason BB trades him is to get the extra draft pick (maybe a low 3rd rd if they trade with Green Bay, N.O., or the Jets) and because BB has to know now that he won't spend the money on Seymour when the time comes. Since he has Jarvis Green and M. Hill, he could even trade for the HAWK and not Mario. The key here is that whoever he gets for the Seymour trade is signed for 6 years as a 1st rounder. Again, the signing bonus for this pick would be big, but the yearly salary for the 6 years would be a lot lower, thus a smaller cap hit for the new guy. In order for this to appeal to the 3 teams mentioned above, they would have to view Seymour as a monster player who is just getting into his prime years. I don't think that those teams would have a problem seeing Seymour in that light. Anyway, as always, we're all just speculating. Thanks for posting.
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    Nyet

    Not Happening!!!!

    # of reasons but we can dream but the cost is too much and not sure a BB player
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    Don't count Super Lazy Mario as a lock. Watch film (videotape) on this guy and one of the first things you notice is, he takes plays off. While that is not a death nail, it's an indication of his future performance.
    If we traded a 1st, 3rd and 4th this year and a third next year to move up and take Hawk, that would be most excellent in my book.
    There are very few "locks" in any draft, but I think Hawk is (barring injury) fairly close to one.
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    you would have to weigh him against the possible defenders coming out next year, in order to make that.
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    YES! I doubt any of this will happen, but what an awesome train of thought. All aboard man, if the FO is going to sit on their hands for weeks at a time I need something to talk\think about while waiting for opening day and Red Sox Rangers. :singing: :singing: :singing:
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    We'd likely need to get to number 4 or 5 to get him, and I can't see either of those teams making that trade for our 1st, 3rd, 4th, and next year's 3rd. They'd want our second this year, and perhaps our first next year. Not worth it at all for us, IMO.

    I think your assessment of Hawk having much better instincts than Carpenter is way off. I haven't seen any scouting report that has said Carpenter doesn't have anything less than great instincts. Is your assessment of that based on a few highlight footage plays of Hawk? It's very easy for it to look that way in highlights - say for example Hawk was supposed to be blitzing on a play, while Carpenter was supposed to drop into zone. The offense happens to run a play right at Hawk, and it ends up looking like he read it immediately at the snap, while Carpenter took a while to figure out what was going on (since he was supposed to be dropping back in coverage).
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