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  1. Bostonian1962

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    O.K., so I'm driving into work this morning, and Sirius NFL Radio says the
    Patriots are have Tom Brady and Matt Cassel, but are in pursuit of an NFL Veteran QB to add to the squad.

    But they give NO names.

    Anybody heard any names (and my upfront appologies if something like this has been posted already)?

    Thanks.
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    Fiedler has been rumored for all summer....sort of without making it a big deal...just seems like a fit...
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    I have heard the Fielder banter. Thanks. Report this morning made it sound like something is in the works for somebody. Could it be Fielder? Hmmm.

    I'm Pro-Fielder, unlike some here.
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    I'm all for adding Fiedler, and I always have been. He has plenty of experience, especially in this division, and I'd feel more comfortable with him making a spot start than Cassell or Bramlet/Mortensen.

    That being said if anything happens to #12 for an extended period of time, it doesn't really matter who is behind him.
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    If he gets no offers to start, which is becoming likely, Kerry Collins could be the man.

    It's interesting to note that Romeo wants to bring in Vinny Greenhead to back up Charlie Frye.
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    That makes sense...they really need a vet..I don't think Collins has the chemistry for it Patriots.com ahd an article earlier about this..and the backup possibles..Collins was ruled out.because he wants to be the MAN still...Maddox is more possible..behind Fiedler... http://www.patriots.com/search/index.cfm?ac=searchdetail&pid=19356&pcid=41
    From May 31st...a good read!!!
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    Ive heard Jeff Blake and Jay Fiedler are the two main guys.
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    Doesn't Kerry Collins seems like the anti-Pats QB, though? Poor judgment, not at all a "game manager," just...high-risk junk. Then again, he would only be the #3, so it might be worth a look. Certainly not worth my anxiety.
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    That's what we used to say about #11.
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    Well, the knock on him early in his career was that he wasn't a good teammate. I haven't heard anything about that though since he left Carolina. I don't think he's a great fit for this offense, but if Brady got hurt (God Forbid!) for an extended period, I'll take my chances with Collins over guys like Tommy Maddox and Jeff Blake. At least with Collins, the defense has to defend against the passing game.

    Honestly, I don't expect him to be here. I think BBs idea of veteran leadership is more the Fiedler/Shane Matthews/Damon Huard type. Guys that have been around long enough to have seen everything and who are comfortable in a backup role.
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    Appreciate all the feedback. Thanks.
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    Is Jim Miller still available, or did he retire after that latest injury ? IIR, BB had some really nice things to say about Miller when he was here.
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    And it was wrong then, too. It's still a team.
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    Put me in the category of saying, 'If Brady goes down for a while, it doesn't much matter who we have at back-up, Except maybe Matt Cassell.'

    In other words, none of the veterans out there in free agency are going to win the Pats a superbowl.

    I think Matt Cassell is promising in the sense that we don't yet know how good he is. We know that Fiedler and the rest are 2nd tier Q.B.s and won't help us for more than about three non-playoff games or so, before the league catches up.

    We could just possibly squeeze a good year out of Cassell before the league catches up with him, or at least the verdict is still out there.....
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    I agree. I think the #2 job is Cassel's to lose and he won't. The need for the grizzled vet is all but passed - I think they would have loved to have Flutie hang around for one more season of mentoring, but at this stage more to lighten the load on Tommy where Cassel's development is concerned. But the grind of a season as #3 at his age just didn't cut it. He'll make a lot more for less working those college games and doing commentary for ABC and ESPN.

    Not sure Fiedler's shoulder will allow him to do the work here, or that he would be interested in the #3 scout role and as competition in camp. If he can throw, and he still can't much at this point, he is up for the #2 job with the Giants because Eli needs a mentor and Coughlin doesn't seem to have much faith in Tim Hasselbeck as his #2. He is a native New Yorker too.

    Cowher sounded a very cautious note on Ben returning yesterday, so I wouldn't doubt Maddoux lands back with the Steelers as insurance at least through the pre season.

    I think Cassel will be fine. By the time you get to #3 you are usually cooked so other than a guy to run the scout team. I wouldn't write off Bramlet or Mortenson as #3's solely based on media mini camp observations. Heck, Rohan was a #2 and #3 here for 3 years and we won 2 Superbowls. And Rohan will likely shake loose in AZ now that Lienart was drafted. Who knows, stranger things have happened.
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    Noooooo!
    Along those lines Michael Bishop is also available.

    I do agree with your premise. It's Cassell's to lose and only an excerable performance in game conditions this summer will see us then pay around $900K for a vet QB. I think that BB has enough in the coaching tank to get us .500 in a 4 game pre-playoff stint using Cassell. Anything longer or in the playoffs, we're toast w/o Brady anyway.
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    However, it would be a surprise if belichick doesn't bring in some kind of a 'mentor' type Q.B. At least for competition in camp.
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    It seems that we are as dependent on Brady as the Colts are on Manning. The difference is that Manning has choked in the playoffs and Brady does not.

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    I would really like to see Cassell claim the backup job out right in TC. I think he shows decent desicion making abilities and after a year in the program, his mechanics should be much smoother.
    However I would rather see one of the two rookie QBs on the PS than on the active roster. But it's hard to see a veteran that would want to come into this type situation.
    If Washington cuts Hasselbeck, I think he could work.
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    If Brady were to go down for say 4-5 games due to injury. ( God forbid ) I would like to see Cassell sent in there to sink or swim. Let's see what the kid can do when the game is his to start. I think we might all be pleasantly surprised. He's got a great arm, been in the system for a year now and has shown BB enough to get drafted and stick around so far, they don't keep stiffs on the 53 man roster..... A vet I would like to see here is Feidler, not Collins!:rocker:
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    I think this is the major point that everyone is missing. The most important aspect of a 3rd QB especially on a Patriots team is their ability to learn/teach and handle the scout team. Cassel seems prone to take over the # 2, so that our # 3 will have to be a teacher or mentor for Cassel and to a lesser extent Brady.

    But more importantly, every time you hear BB give a speech after a HUGE victory the first thing he does is thank the backup QB who lead the scout team to prepare our D. I just do not see Collins being enough of a team player to put as much effort as say a Flutie. We can all bash Fiedler, and Lord knows I have and continue to, but the kid is a winner and he will do anything and everything it takes to win. Moral of the story, for a # 3 QB we need an experienced, team player who is willing to ride the pine and help the team at all costs.
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    Yeah, and Brady costs $4M a year less. That's why I think now this team could hang on for a half season in this division with Cassel though, while Indy is toast with Sorgi. Playoff's we're both toast unless we start out against JAX.
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    There was some discussion of this before.

    Many of us seem to feel that like the year Brady backed up Bledsoe, the team feels that Cassell is an adequate backup to Brady.

    The concern would be if God forbid anything happens to Brady, who is the backup to Cassell should he falter or get injured himself.

    My feeling was why not bring in a few veteran QBs who can come in during camp, become familiar with the system and the players, accept the fact that the team has no real need to keep them on the roster, and have the team enter the season with the knowledge that a few street FA veteran QBs are out there in case we need them.

    So while I wouldn't be surprised to see multiple veteran QBs get a look over the summer, I wouldn't be surprised to see them cut before the season as well.
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    I thought it was Vinny "GreenBall"???

    thats what my uncle calls him at least. I like Vinny, if we are going after a Veteran QB like everyone is saying id rather have it him over the other names we have heard.
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    I don't like guys with personality problems as backups. Fiedler or Maddox would probably be happy to back up and be good team mates.
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    Screw it then, hire John Gruden as our #3 QB. He worked the Bucs scout team as Gannon for Super Bowl XXVII, and by the time they were done, Gannon was taking snaps in the fetal position.

    PFnV
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    And, in fact, led the AFL in rushing last year.

    We can even bring back Tony Simmons from his CFL career.
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    Both the Bucs and the Giants have greater need for a veteran backup than we do. Giants had the inside track although they have recently signed Rob Johnson. Coughlin is looking for someone to mentor Eli and push Hasselbeck whom he doesn't seem real high on. Gruden really needs a veteran who is a legit #2 anyway. Thing is last I heard Feidler isn't even throwing yet - was expected to BEGIN throwing in June. Tough to evaluate his rehab until he's been at it a month or so to see if he has any lingering problems or setbacks. He hasn't been durable since he got his shot at starting in Miami in 2000 and 2001 at 29-30, and he's now 35.

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