I accept facts. What we have seen from the Pats pass defense the past couple of years has been a disaster. Regardless of why the corners have been playing 10 yards off the LOS is irelevant...the FACT is they have been doing it and have been chewed up and spit out.
No. thats exactly the point. They are aligned there because they are supposed to be aligned there when its a zone and they have deep responsibliities.
And again, our pass D has been at least above average, and sometimes excellent virtually every season BB has been here.
This is the whole point. When the corner is playing back because he has deep 1/3 on his side of the field and a 10 yard pass is completed, he wasn't covering that man or area of the field, but you are saying our conrer sucked because that pass was completed.
It may be why you say, it may not...
It is, but regardless of whether i am right it isnt even debatable that they aren't playing 10 yards off a guy they have man coverage on as you said.
in either case, our corners have made inexperienced and green quarterbacks look like the next coming of Joe Montana, etc.....
Blah, blah, blah. Thats just not true. Please list all of the inexperinced and green QBs who have beaten us in the last 10 years, and then list the ones who didnt. You will find over 90% success.
If you can't get the fact that part of a gameplan is to make the young QB beat us by taking away the runnng game and making him throw you just wont understand why we do what we do on defense.
Yes, young QBs will put up more passing yards against us than against most teams very often. But they will not beat us, because we are forcing them to do what they cannot sustain, and while they will have some success, they will rarely have enough to beat us.
and its been the 10 yard cushion,
There is no 10 yard cushion, you need to understand what you are seeing.
for whatever reason we are using it, that has been a major contributor to the success those quarterbacks have had against our pass defense. (Yes, lack of a pass rush does not help, either)
QBs by and large are less success than average against us.
Would you agree that it is time to tighten up the pass defense philosolphy, yes or no?
No. I am fine with the philosophy but hopeful the execution will improve.
BTW, I appreciate good two way, stimulating, conversation. Do you?
Also, I never use dthe word "arbitrarily" when saying that the bookies determine the point spread. I said that the point spread is established by the bolokies based on certainb factors.
You dont have to use the word to describe it. You just pretty much described arbitrary, which is not what they do, the line moves based on the bets, The line is set by predicting what # will produce equal money on both sides, then adjusted for the bets made. It has absolutely nothing to do with how the book things the game will turn out.
If the book thinks the Pats will destroy the Jets in week 2 but perceives that fans have the Jets severely overrated he will not set the line at the result he predicts, he will set it how he expects people to bet. This is a well known fact that should have been accepted pages ago.
I was making the distinction between how the point spread is determined and how odds are determined. They are to totally different entities
Wrong
Money being bet is the sole determining factor in odds.... it establishes the betting favorite, and the betting underdog(s)
Money being bet determines every line.
Many different factors go into deciding the point spread, home field advantage, injuries, weather, etc.... and those factors are what enablke to bookies to determine the point spread.... which can change daily....
wrong
Money being bet does not make the point spread change .. circumstances do.
wrong, in fact completely backwards
Money being bet DOES make the odds change.
Yes, and it changes the spread also.
The only goal of Vegas is to get equal money on each side. Way, way more money is bet with the spread than the money line. Both the spread and the money line move based on the bets.
The spread is the enticement or discouragement of making the bet.
If the underdog is getting most of the action, the spread drops (as does the money line) to entice betting on the favorite and even out the bets.
Vegas collects 10% off of every bet. Thats what they want. They are not in it to predict who is going to win and set lines that will get everyone to bet on the loser. They wouldnt have all of those nice hotels and casinos if they did that.
Again this is simply common knowledge. You need to ask someone you know who is knowledgeable in this area that you trust to explain it to you, because you really are just 100% wrong and you keep going on and on and on and are losing credibility on this board.
