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    It's nice to see Robertson backing a pro-choice, pro-gay candidate who in his personal life practices anything but family values. The Lord acts in mysterious ways.
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    Yeah I imagine he's throwing his chips in with the candidate he feels will win the primary. Also, if it came down to Giuliani vs. Clinton or Giuliani vs. Obama, I think we know who he'd prefer.

    I guess you can't always find a candidate that supports your views 100%.
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    Well, he's certainly more open minded than the typical liberal... just out of curiousity, who are some national pro-life democrats..? Oh wait, there are none... they get complete run out of the democratic party before they even know what him 'em...
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    Harry Reid is Pro-life. That's the only one I know.
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    I guess you'll be voting for Rudy then since you two seem to hold so much in common? :p I like Rudy in some ways, and really don't like him others. Rudy's skeletons will hurt him significantly, but a match up against Hillary might help curb the damage.
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    I know you're not a Mitt fan RW, and it seems like you're not a huge Giuliani fan either. Who would you back as the Republican nominee? I certainly echo your sentiment that they all have problems, but when I looked at the Democrat nominees, there's no one in reach of winning there (pretty much Hilary or Obama, though Edwards has a ver outside shot) that I would get behind.
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    There's also a former governor of Pennsylvania, I believe his name was Gov. Casey (but I may be misremembering).
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    None of the above an option? To be honest, I'm almost looking forward to the 2012 election, more so than this one here. I'm mortified by some of the candidates, as they seem to be not ready for primetime, socialists, uber liberals, suits, Amnesty appologists, and just flat out weak. This 4 year period will require someone with immense back bone, as we're likely going to see some turbulent days ahead. I think it's very likely, not certain, but likely, that the winner in 2008 is a one term title holder. It's still a year away which we all seem to forget, so I can't say who I like right now, and I'll only say I'm not enamored with the people I've seen so far.

    The dems are in lock step with Hillary, and the candidate I like the best on that side is Biden. He's a middle of the road traditional democrat, and not one of these new order progressive types. Of course, since he makes the most sense, he doesn't have a shot. On the GOP side, there are so many candidates, it's hard to figure out what any of them are all about. The more I hear Huckabee, the more I like him, but I really know little about his record, so I'm going on his debate answers. That's not much. I like what Rudy did in NYC, turning that sh!thole completely around, but he seems like a borderline appologist on Amnesty, and his skeletons bother me alot. He's results oriented, and decisive, which are very big pluses, but I've got serious reservations still. Thompson seems like the Reagan'esque guy, but where is he? Is he even running? I haven't seen him campaign really. That's troubling. I think the lazy label is looking like the real deal. If he's who I think he is, then he could walk away with the nomination, but it doesn't seem like he wants to make the effort. McCain lost me when he pushed Amnesty. Adios John. So who's left? Romney? Good business mind, but far too pandering for votes. He's a statue in a suit, a manequin. He's tanned to the point he's neon orange. He seems like one of those dolls where you pull the string in the back, and he repeats one of 20 rehearsed lines. He came here to MA as one thing, and now all of a sudden, he leaves us dry, and he's some super right wing conservative when he realy isn't. See, I've always prefered honest, or decisive candidates. I'd rather a person stands up and tell me what he/she stands for, and why, so that even if I disagree, I atleast know where they stand. Pandering is part of politics, but there is a limit to how much I can take. Romney is the ultimate panderer. Where I will give Rudy props, is he seems the most comfortable in his own skin. That Hillary crap with the licenses for illegals shows she isn't. That's a panderer being undressed.
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    Thanks for the answer. I was just curious what you thought, as you and I are on a similar wavelength and it appears as if this time is no different. I think I'm a little more pro-Rudy than you though. I like his decisiveness and results-orientation, as you said. I think some of his more liberal stances were necessitated by being mayor of such a huge city that is also predominantly liberal. In general he seems to speak his mind, though lately I have heard him using some catchphrases and typical politician-type things that I despise. Huckabee is a really good guy, but he doesn't have enough name recognition to do much yet.

    I like Obama's forwardness of his opinions. I think most of his policies would be a nightmare, but I respect the fact that he, 1) seems to genuinely care about the well-being of the country and 2) he's honest about his leanings. I can't really imagine a world in which I voted for him though.
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    You're about the upcoming storm too. With rising oil prices, falling dollar values, Chinese shenanigans, and our debt problems, the upcoming president will likely have a recession (if not full-blown depression) on their hands and will have to deal with it.
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    We agree. Obama seems like the most honest and sincere candidate on either side. I know little about him because he doesn't have much to base an opinion on. I said before he entered the fray that he'd have been better served to run for governor of Illinois first, and president second. At least that way, people would have a little more to work with, and he'd have some experience.

    Don't get me wrong, I could live with Giuliani. He's not my ideal guy, but he's at least strong where it matters most, and I do agree with him on a good amount of issues. Also, abortion is the issues that matters least to me in a presidential election. As an aside, one of Rudy's grandparents was born in the town next door to my grandma's (my dad's mother). The town is called Gesualdo. Needless to say, my father is 1,000% behind Giuliani. He even went to a breakfast and met him. When I mention some of my concerns & criticisms, he gets mad. Meanwhile my mom keeps her support quiet. She knows politics real well & talks about the issues all the time, but doesn't support anyone openly. Personally, I think she's a closet Hillary supporter. My dad, and my sister, hate Hillary with a passion. They see right through her. Anyhow, it's going to be an interesting year at the dinner table should it be a Rudy/Hillary match up. My mom is one of those womens lib types and see's Hillary as the symbol of their plight.
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    Crazy Wife Swapping Hollywood Pigs endorse Obooma.
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    Thanks for that mental picture... :eek::mad::p
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    HA! Sorry bud! :eek:
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    #91 Jersey

    Who does the crazy old white guy from Maine endorse? :D
    I put (white) in there to stir things up. :eek:
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    #15 Jersey

    I don't know if you could have a more up in the air election then Guiliani vs Clinton. A number of the old cliques of how states would vote would be thrown out the window. Would the Rep. dare bring up Monica? I think Guiliani is probably the Republican nominee and I could live with that despite some of the problems I have with him. That might be the most interesting Red/Blue map of all time.
    RW, you need to stop mentioning Obama as Gov. of Illinois. The state of Illinois is second in corruption to Louisiana. Three of the last seven governors are serving time. The current one ought to be. From top to bottom they are dirty, one person (Obama) is not going to turn it around, nor would he get recognition for his efforts. The guy would be Swift Boated faster then a Miami Dolphin loss. In this state, its irrelevant if your a Democrat or a Republican, its how much graff or jobs you can feed your cronies. People want to rant about the Kennedy grave votes back in the 60's providing JFK with the victory. The same backhanded technique was going on in southern Illinois by the Republicans. Don't get me wrong, a governor has a much greater chance of being elected then a Senator, but not one that has to serve in this state.
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    It's really sad that you have to explain to people in here that you're only teasing when you say white. [​IMG]
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    Scout, you're so right about a Rudy vs Hillary match-up. Some blue states would go red, and some red would go blue. It would be quite interesting in that respect, and would also be one of the nastiest, negative, and outright dirty campaigns of all time. So much dirt for each side to work with.

    Well, I've been mentioning Obama for governor of Illinois because of those very reasons. The culture of corruption in that state, and the fact that governors make for a more electable candidate. I personally like people who've run something, over people who haven't. It isn't a sticking point, but it's a plus. For Obama, it would give him experience, and a chance to prove that he is the leader some of us suspect he could be. I'd love for him to do that, cuz then people would really get an idea of what he stands for, and how effective he'd be.
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    #91 Jersey

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