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  1. Wolfpack

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    And now from the "how is this news?" department, the Boston Globe has shockingly discovered that violent offenders, especially those with life sentences, are likely to commit violent crimes when out on parole.

    How many innocent people have to be killed or raped before people decide that maybe parole for violent offenders just might be a bad idea?

    Paroled lifers pose high risk of new crimes - The Boston Globe
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    It may be a bad idea, but the study didn't find they are likely to commit violent crimes.
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    No? So you'd be comfortable having a violent offender with a life sentence out on parole moving into your neighborhood?
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    Non-sequitur, wolfie
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    Not at all, You are trying to claim that "the study didn't find they are likely to commit violent crimes."

    Ignoring the fact that you are mistaken, I am asking you if you would be comfortable with such an offender moving into your neighborhood.
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    You are now wrong on 2 fronts.

    The study did not find what youclaim.

    And your question is irrelevant to my pointing out that your claim was false.
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    14.9% committed new crimes but we don't know if they were violent crimes or a small possession type offense.
    From the article,


    <<<<<Thirty of the parolees, or 14.9 percent, were returned to prison after being accused of committing new crimes, including murder and assault and battery with a dangerous weapon, as well as less serious offenses such as assault and drunken driv ing.<<<<<

    >>>>>>Overall, the rate of reincarceration for Massachusetts lifers appears relatively high, at least when compared with New York State, which has tracked murderers and other offenders on parole for decades.
    Only 19.1 percent of the 1,480 convicted murderers paroled from 1986 to 2006 in New York were returned to prison. In addition, only 2.6 percent were returned for committing new crimes, while 16.6 percent were sent back to prison for committing technical violations of their parole.
    The reason for the difference between the states is hard to discern, complicated by the Massachusetts Parole Board’s failure to keep detailed data on recidivism.<<<<<<<
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    Why are Lifers paroled

    :confused:
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    Beat me to it.
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    Parole is a management tool used to help control inmates by rewarding good behavior inside prisons.. it gives them hope.

    No way that 2 to 3 correctional officers can control 2 to 300 men at any one time, need a variety of tools.. there are no weapons readily available for their use...

    All of this can be remedied by having sentences of life without parole for certain offenses 1st degree murder, rape etc. ... the legislature can make a list of certain offenses that are not eligible for this program..

    This can be remedied quite easily.. don't just throw out parole as it can be an incentive for many behind high walls..
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    Bingo!

    At most 15% committed violent crimes -- a far cry from commission of violent crimes being "likely."
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    much more likely than the general public that has never been charged for a violent crime
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    Perfectly valid point. (Just not what was claimed.)
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    I'd really have no problem hanging people who are in jail for life for violent crimes or who are paroled in such situations and end up back in jail after committing more violent crimes. Just be done with them once and for all. These are not people worth paying for till they die. My opinion anyway.
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    As it turns out, it's a lot more expensive to kill them than it is to incarcerate them for life.
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    I think that sounds like a great idea. I don't have a problem with the concept of parole. What I have a problem with is the concept of parole for violent, repeat offenders and those given life sentences.
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    parole should not exist.....period

    in its place should be a a system with levels of incarceration.

    a criminal should, through good behavior, be rewarded with improved prison condition, but should never be let free.

    say johnny gets found guilty of assault and is sentenced to 3 years. the first year he is automatically place in the 'basic category'. if he's a good doo-bee for a year, then he might be paroled to an improved block that provides 'freedoms' such as a gym and a library. if he meets the goals set upon him in the improved block, he gets additional 'freedoms' such as taking classes or whatever other things that may be rewards. then he gets to get out after his 3rd year.....but if sentenced to 3 years, he will do 3 years.

    the trick here is that the basic catogory be a very spartan set of circumstances......humane, but as basic as it gets.....decent food and a bed.......prove yourself, and you move on.

    one of the things that this method would be focused on is to try to separate the 'one-timers' from the 'habituals'

    the cost savings in such a system would be between the reduced cost of what is provided in the general block.

    pretty much make a 'ladder' to get better conditions.
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    Here we go again. That's by design for the most part, and is an entirely different debate. Were I in charge of setting policy, the cost in such cases would be 50' worth of rope, a wooden box that could support a mans weight, and however many people it took to tie the rope to a tree, put the box in place, and then kick the box out from under the criminals feet when ready.

    Materials:

    $30

    Labor:

    $800

    Exterminating scumbag vermin from the whole of society: Priceless [​IMG]

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