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Bill Parcells says New England is spoiled by the Patriots | ProFootballTalk
I agree with him. I am not a spoiled fan. I appreciate what the Patriots have done in the last decade, and I look forward to the next decade. I rooted for this team during the LOSING YEARS, and I am still rooting for them. I get the feeling that there are some fans who didn't become fans of this team until 2001. I grew up a Patriots and Celtic fan. I watched every game with my dad when I was growing up. Celtics were AWESOME, the Patriots, not so much. But they were still my favorite football team, and they still are. It sucks that they lost, but it doesn't mean that our team is now trash. Did everyone think that they would NEVER LOSE a playoff game in the last decade? We have a team that has a chance to win every season. We should all be very thankful for that while it lasts.
I understand the frustration of being so close and falling short. What is annoying is the contingent of fans that act as if they are entitled to a championship, that the decision makers are stupid (rather than very good but not perfect) and that speak of losing an AFCCG like the team just went 0-16.
Parcells is right on the money. Many Patriot fans are spoiled rotten and really have no conception how good they have it. The fact of the matter is that winning it all is really really difficult and involves health and luck as well as having a great team that season, and more often than not all of those factors don't align. Belichick has managed to create a program that sustains as high a level of success as has ever been realized in this league but in doing so has also created a dynamic where their losses are almost always huge because they are in the biggest games of that season, and because of their early success in the Belichick/Brady era many believe that if they don't win it all they have failed, when in truth they have had a really good season but simply weren't able to get all of the necessary factors to come completely together. Sometimes it is a matter of overachievment, such as the 2011 season, where they clearly were not a great team but were able to get themselves right to the brink of a Championship, and other times they were great, such as 2007, or really really good, such as this year, but simply fell short or laid an egg in a big game, as they did a couple of weeks ago. Fortunately for all of us however they are in such good shape that great success is in their future as well as their past and they will continue to be right in the thick of it for the next few years provided they don't make any big mistakes in their roster decisions. hopefully they can add another ring or 2 to end the Brady era, but even iof they don't they will still have pout together one of the greatest runs that any team has ever seen, and we should all be grateful for that because that is as rare as it gets in the world of all professional sports, not just football.
Typical shaughnessy , takes shots on krafts/BB/tom throughout the article. Wish someone else had interviewed him.
Of course BP is right when he speaks of the complacency of this fan base. I have to say though, that BP is doing a great job of endearing himself to this region. Even if he does say we fans are spoiled. He still is quite the quotable interview. I especially loved the quote of being on the other side and some teams are always going to be bad and..."You have a couple in your division." Great stuff.
I started watching in 1984 fanatically in 1984. A pup to some like Patsfansince1960 and a geezer to others. At the time all our teams were doing well and I thought this is how it's suppose to be.
Patriots reach the Super Bowl in dramatic fashion to only get crushed by the Bears. I thought they would go back multiple times but I was wrong. Well, not really, just much longer than expected. A couple of seasons later this team became the bottom of the barrel. They would endure some pretty embarrassing seasons that almost wanted to make you wear a bag over your head at the games. Some fans actually did.
There was no hope in sight, 1-15, very Detroit and Tampa Bay like. In comes Parcells and Bledsoe and the new owner. The newness of the situation changed. Hope was on the horizon. Maybe to go 8-8 and maybe the playoffs in a couple of years. These were reasonable expectations that grew as the Pats drafted well. Success happened almost overnight to fall short yet again to the Packers and lose the coach who didn't get on the plane.
In the year of our lord 2001 ad, ultimate success was finally won. The first team to carry home a trophy since 1986. a lackluster season to follow,by no means miserable compared to past seasons. Followed up by two more glorious superbowls. A first rd exit, a stolen AFC championship,a perfect season ending in heartbreak,a 11-5 season ending rarely without a playoff bid. 14-2 first rd exit,14-2 first round exit, another Super Bowl and another AFC championship.
If you were not a fan before 2000 I guess I can understand being spoiled. 3 Lombardi trophies, 5 super bowl appearances, 2 AFC championship losses. Playoff appearances in 10 of 12 seasons. Almost all 12. 10 AfC east titles. Almost 12 in a row. More hardware than probably 15+teams history combined in just a 12 year run.
One day this team may suck. It is almost inevitable. Your confidence will be shaken. You will be going into the season with the mindset "we might have a chance to compete for the division
this year? Or worse, "8-8 would be nice." Or maybe, "if we only had that QB that could win games?
Thinking back on these losing seasons keeps things in perspective after tough losses. The helpless feeling of having a team that you knew had no chance that season or the next and maybe the next after that.
I don't know, I think we are all spoiled one way or another. Some more than others. The nervous jitters before big games a little less for some as opposed to the early years of TFB/BB.
Either way,enjoy it while it lasts. We still may see another Championship or two. Then again,maybe not.
It's not just us, although as a fan base and really a region across the major 4 sports we've been spoiled since 2001, but look at the comments from the haters. We must be the only team in the history of sports where making the championship game twice in 6 years and losing by a close margin is somehow a terrible failure.
Parcells speaks the truth and I have the utmost respect for him as a "football" guy. He walks the walk with anyone, BUT as far as "endearing" himself to NE fans is a bit of a stretch unless you are a fan post 2000. I'll never forget what he did to the Pats when he colluded with the Jets while he was supposed to be preparing his team to play the Packers in the SB and then bolted the next day only to take Curtis Martin with him. Screw Parcells and in the end we got the best of the Jets and karma came back like a ***** for them.
I've only been around since the Patriots were a dominant team since I'm 15 but I definitely agree that we as Boston fans are spoiled. I constantly see kids in my school posting on twitter, facebook or any other website wow Boston has really sucked for sports this year, after all 4 major teams made the playoffs. It actually aggravates me a lot. I hope people would be more grateful for the teams we have here in New England because for cities like kansas city they havent seen championships in a long long time
You're in the same situation I was in growing up with Bill Russell's Celtics winning the NBA year after year. It's tough when that goes away.
Poor Danny boy is never, ever going to get over being turned away at the door of a breakfast or luncheon the Krafts put on for the media a long time ago. He was the only one denied admittance. And being a typical media member, he likely fasted for 48 hours prior to the free feed so he could pig out for zip. God, those people (the media) are beautiful...
Is this true??
Don't play with my Emotions, now!! :nono:
Did this really happen???
lol. Says I need 99 of these to read the article by shank.
Wouldn't spend one.
I waited most of 24 of 25 years to see the Pats in the big game and had to watch a slaughter. I love the fact we keep building and competing every single year. Every single year. We never concede a year due to injuries or circumstance. Three times we left 31 teams in the dust.
That's not normal. If you think it is, you are spoiled.
Of course the Celtics, without the ability to buy championships (see Yankees) is on another planet, but most teams have a few years they compete and years more to even get to that level.
Yes, give with the facts as you know them, please.
Yes. Google: "Shaughnessy denied admission to Patriots breakfast" and you'll see Bruce Allen's reference to it in his 12/5/12 BSM piece.
Let me know if you guys find it.
It's comical how much the crap these guys write under the guise of being professional journalists is really based out of personal vendetta's.
I have heard both sides when it comes to McDonough, so i'm not sure where you were going with this? Shaugnessy and Borges are perfect examples imo, both are far more driven by their feuds and biases than they are by any sense of professionalism.
Willie was a terrific writer, in my opinion, but he was prone to letting personal biases influence his work. In fairness, I think all writers do that to some extent, but the real pros, I think, keep it to a minimum. McDonough loved Parcells, although they had a falling out over Willie's coverage of Parcells "premature" departure from the Pats. McDonough also had his famous moment in 1979 when he punched Pats DB Raymond Claiborne in the dressing room.
McDonough had contacts and information in an era when it was hard to find. There were legitimate reasons for his biases (he got to leak stuff from people who knew and made them look good in return. Old time journalism).
Borges did the same, to a certain extent, by camping out around disgruntled players to get info (which mostly stopped with Belichick).
CHB is just a hacky gossip columinist and "humorist". After twenty or thirty years writing about football (not primarily, but...) he admits to knowing nothing about the sport when cornered.
We may be spoiled but if it makes him feel better it is no thanks to him and BB is so much better than BP.
That's all I'm finding, though: a tangential, Linkless reference to an alleged snub at the 1998 Super Bowl...one we weren't in. I'd love something more substantial than that, if you have it.
Will was a Parcells rump swab. Not a fan of Bob Kraft q.v. his attempt to build a stadium in South Boston.
It's encouraging to see a young fan like you adopt a wise perspective. I only hope the "Brady choked" crowd here can do the same.
Yeah, sorry that's all there seems to be. I remember years ago when it happened and, of course there wasn't much Internet/social media (pre-2000.) My recollection is that I heard Danny boy asked about it on the radio and he went ballistic on the Krafts. Sorry I can't give you more, but trust me, it happened. Explains some things, doesn't it?
Well, I'm a subscriber and here are a couple of sentences:
"Pay attention Patriots fans: As much as the Krafts would like to get credit for all the good things that have happened to the franchise in the last 20 years, it was Bill Parcells -- not Bob, Jonathan, Hoodie or Tom -- who changed the culture of the Patriots. ... The passage of time and the Krafts' insatiable hunger to be credited with everything good has dimmed fans' memories of Parcells' impact."
It's good to think of that twerp suffering as his innards are gnawed away by bitterness and resentment. Long may the Patriots' success feed it!
What a TOOL and I wonder if listerine will ever get that much taste of BP's member out of his mouth.
Ok, BP helped turn the franchise around from early 90s depths; but crediting him for success that occurred STARTING 5 YEARS after his departure is a bit of a stretch. Plenty of other teams have gone through 2 up and down SIN curves in that same time.
And to accuse the Krafts of SEEKING CREDIT; exactly HOW? They are given credit. by any sane reader of the facts. ( The guy threw BORROWED MONEY on the table to pay a 50% PREMIUM for a team that SUKKED. And he stuck with it til he found the method to success. 3rd times the charm with the coach. ) I have never once read or heard anything that would lead me to believe B Kraft (or his son) was out there grand-standign to get credit for somehting.
what a DOUCHE.
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