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    Re: Parcells Coaching Regret

    HAVING TO....?

    Bill, are you getting senile? You CHOSE to leave New England and f'ed them over in the Super Bowl by coaching with your head already firmly in New York.
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    Re: Parcells Coaching Regret

    interesting choice of words there....bet he regretsseeing Little Bill go off and win 3 SB's with a lot of HIS draft picks...
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    Hey BB, you gettin' this ?

    Don't make the same mistake BP did. :D
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    Yeah, I don't get Bill at all for saying that.

    Just to show how untrustworthy that quote is, Bill left the Jets, and a year later he was coaching the Cowboys. That's how he rolls.

    Unless there was something truly screwed up in the Kraft-Parcells relationship that we don't know about, the keys were taken away from Parcells AFTER he refused to sign up for an extension.

    As I remember it, Parcells had a clause in his contract that forced him to coach the Patriots have five years, or else he could leave with a buyout. After the Patriots went 5-11, Parcells approached Kraft and asked him to rework the contract by removing the extra year and the buyout clause. Kraft did so, but only while insisting that Parcells could not move on to coach another NFL team.

    After the change was made, Parcells chafed under the new contract and he word is, he started playing footsie with the Jets.

    That's when Kraft screwed him on the groceries, but Kraft had no choice at that point. What else could he do? Parcells just wanted to avoid the buyout. He likes his money, but he got annoyed when he realized that the contract change meant Kraft could no longer trust him with the long-term future of the franchise.
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    maybe we dont know the whole story
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    I doubt it. I think he phrased it that way because he wanted to stay but his ego wouldn't let him. That's why he "had" to leave.
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    I thought he would say kicking to Howard in the Super Bowl vs GB.
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    It really is too bad that the Pats forced Parcells to call the Jets during the week leading up to the Super Bowl rather than only preparing for the game. Mean, mean Pats.
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    Tedy Bruschi
    Willie McGinest
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    He left us with some great parting gifts.
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    Well, he wasn't in the draft room for Milloy and Bruschi.
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    If he "had" to leave, why would he label it a regret? A regret is something you wish you didn't choose to do.
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    The best part is that, given everything that happened afterwards, I bet every Pats fan, on the whole, is glad that it all happened the way it did (if Parcells stays, we can't be sure that we ever get Belichick as HC...)
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    He probablty does and I can see why.
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    At this point I have no desire to kick ol' BP for his perceived transgressions.
    We did have a dynasty with the core of players being guys that went back to his regime.
    Furthermore, when he says he HAD to leave, I'm quite sure he meant it that way as the line in the sand he drew was crossed and that did force him into his decision to leave.
    I am grateful to Parcells but as a fan, I remain loyal to BB as HC of the NEP.:rocker:
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    Parcells regrets that he didn't spend more time with patriots. And for saying this, we should flame him??????
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    And Curtis Martin, Troy Brown, Drew Bledsoe, Ben Coates. And in a roundabout way, Belichick. That team could have really become a dynasty 5 years earlier if he hadn't "Had To" leave.
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    Time heals most wounds. I consider our franchise fortunate to have him for the time he was here. Sure, I was upset the way he left but I'm ok now. More importantly if BP doesn't come here then Kraft may never of had the chance to develop a relationship with Belichick.

    Like him or not he is the King of turning crappy franchises into winners. I wish he was our GM right now. His drafting has been fantastic, especially on the defensive side of the ball.
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    Sure would of been interesting.
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    I think the combination of Parcells and Kraft would have gotten the best out of Bledsoe and company. Parcells (without Jones' meddling) seemed to get what Bledsoe needed the most out of any coach Bledsoe ever ended up having.

    Good safety valve options, good blocking and a respectable rungame. Oh...and he knew when to give Bledsoe the business to keep him focused.
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    As wrong as he was to do what he did the way he did it, there's an excellent case to be made that he was forced out.
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    Make the case.

    He's the one who wanted his contract shortened to avoid having to pay a buyout. That was when Kraft and Parcells still had a good relationship. Parcells has always been about money, and his relationship with three team Presidents (G Young, Kraft and J Jones) hasn't been stellar.
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    A voice of reason!

    Let's just say IMO Mr Kraft learned a great deal for the Parcells situation.

    Let's also not forget that several of the keys to the championship teams were brought here by Bill Parcells



    Having said that I wouldn't want any other coach than Bill Belichick
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    Re: Parcells Coaching Regret

    He was afraid he was going to starve to death because he wasn't allowed to cook the dinner.
    Looking at him now, it's clear that that fear wasn't realized. He's a regular Emeril in Miami.
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    Really? What has he done since he's been there? Sure, the 'Phins won the division but they had to do it on tie-breakers.

    And they still have the sorriest collection of WR's in the division and no one to throw them the ball.
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    When your boss gradually takes away your power and gives it to an incompetent many executives feel they are being squeezed out.

    How do you know Kraft and Parcells ever had a good relationship? Parcells was hired by Orthwein and explicitly given control of personnel. He had personnel people, but I've found quotes where he explicitly had that power.

    What information do you have about his relationship with Kraft and Kraft's ideas about control of Personnel? None, I'm guessing.
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    Because he's being somewhat disingenuous...yeah. He had to leave because he couldn't have it all his way. Same reason he always leaves. Same reason anyone with half a brain knew it wouldn't work out with Jerry. Two guys who want to be in charge and perceived as the architect. One of whom is the owner.

    I think he went to NY specifically because he thought he could leverage his way into ownership with Leon Hess' health in decline. I recall he was rumored to be putting together ownership groups that he would head as the brains behind the money. Didn't materialize and he left after Woody was awarded the franchise.

    One of the many ways he and little Bill are different as night and day. Parcell's felt limited as a HC and even defacto-GM. Big Bill is big picture oriented, little Bill is detail oriented. Parcell's didn't want to have to explain his vision or answer to anyone. I think he wanted to be the modern day version of Al Davis. Bill Belichick is a teacher at heart. For him there was satisfaction not only in coaching players and building infrastructure but in educating a bright ownership willing to learn and eager to be partners in a vision who would primarily handle the bigger picture marketing end of the operation he has no interest in. He just wants to win football games. He doesn't have the ego that makes building concensus difficult. As his relationship with Pioli underscored. And he doesn't have a problem interacting in a mutually respectful way with the guy who signs his checks.

    Parcell's has mellowed over time and he probably regrets not making the effort to win Kraft over as opposed to imposing his will. He hasn't remained anywhere long enough to succeed at the highest level since. I'm surprised he didn't bail on Miami over the sale of the franchise. But so far the new owner seems to be more concerned with adding celebrity backers to his entourage than elevating his profile within the owners fraternity. Year three is when BP starts to get the itch, so it will be interesting to see if he finally fulfills a contract or again moves on and maybe finds another rebuilding gig post lockout...
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    Re: Parcells Coaching Regret

    What? Sorry to burst your bubble but Devon Bess and Greg Camarillo are very good WRs. Yes, Tedd Ginn has been a bust, but that wasn't Parcells. Brian Hartline had a very good rookie season.

    Chad Henne is turning out to be a pretty good QB for them.

    I think that you grossly underestimate the WR corps in Miami.
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    There are three possible explanations for his remark:

    1) He's in such denial over what most regard as his responsibility for creating the situation that led to his departure from the Pats that he has created his own revisionist version of the history of those weeks, which exonerates him from that responsibility.

    2) There was more going on behind the scenes than we know and the Kraft family really was signalling him that they didn't like and weren't comfortable with him, as some have speculated, based on rumors and hearsay.

    3) He sincerely regrets creating the situation that resulted in the inevitability of his departure.

    I'd say that 1) is 90% likely, 2) is 10% likely and 3) is so unlikely as to be barely measure-able (less than one percent).
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